A.O.C. Good article.

I can almost relate to the abortion laws. Spiritually, the unborn child would have had a soul. Republicans tend to use time X as a description of what is human and what is not while still in the mother’s womb. However, this is entirely wrong, because the moment that child has begun its process into life it is considered human in the eyes of God. I believe the right wing just blows it out of proportion because there are so many people thinking “well it’s just a fetus, it’s not human yet” when people forget the fundamentals of how it’s living inside the woman, whether it’s in human form or not. Everything starts from a cell.

While I don’t agree with government controlling many aspects of our lives, I can almost come to terms as to WHY it is doing it. Gays in the military would be a very bad idea. While it infringes on the rights of anyone to do anything he/she wants, it would certainly hurt the majority. Imagine sitting in a fox hole next to a guy sexually attracted to you, or having rape cases because of the temptation that gays would have every day. This shit does happen. The government is looking out for the majority by limiting the minority. Should there be a better way? What else can be done?

I’m starting to realize that there’s a huge world out there, and coming from a point of view that has leadership responsibilities for other men, I am starting to realize that it is very hard to please everybody. The only sensible thing to do would be to either let everyone do whatever they wanted, or to try to mingle some more and put everybody under control so they can live somewhat in peace.

Government was made because people needed a way to life with laws. Ultimately I think that’s what will happen in any society. I don’t know if anarchy is completely the answer, but rather just a reform of our government. We most definitely need a change, but I don’t know if completely reliance on the human ethics is going to work. People are products of their environment, and I know some FUCKED UP people that would really put ideas like this down, simply because of how society has treated them and how they have been bonded by the system.

I’m still for the cause, but I don’t believe we are all on the same page. I hate our government but seem to understand why it works. Does that make sense? I hope I explained it alright.
Stan () - 19 03 09 - 14:20

a gay would rape you ?? what ?? when ?? What the fuck ?? lame theocratic Conservative excuses LOL and what you imply is the tyranny of the majority and it’s not legit in any system
Menace - 19 03 09 - 16:17

And people do whit their bodies what ever they like i used to live in a former communist country where abortion was outlawed and women were obligated to have 5 kids after they would get married i don’t understand why in this mighty Conservative ruled US they are the most problems ?? if you look at the statistics the most problems from all countries from the 1 world are in the US the morale Conservative country here in Europe abortion is legal in some places prostitution and weed are legal gay marriages are legal and we ain’t living in hell for this in fact in Holland where weed and prostitution is legal statistics show that it’s the lowest crime rate in the whole world up there LOL irony over irony my friends everything starts from people minds
Menace - 19 03 09 - 16:29

I sort of agree with Stan except for the fact that gays have every right to join the military if they want to. I have no problem with a gay man protecting me. Most men probably feel they are being undermined if a gay man were able to protect them, for example you get shot and are laying in the middle of a field, the gay man isnt going to rape you, he is going to help you and possibly save your life. Maybe the gay guy feeling a sexual attraction toward you wouldn’t be the worst option, they might take a bullet for you… I’m not quite sure about the whole abortion thing, I am not sure if there is a god or not, I was raised by a christian family so I was taught that there is a God but I think if I was isolated I would not believe there was such an omniscient creature. I think that killing any animal is wrong but if the case were similar to the one in Brazil, 9yr old raped and became pregnant, I could see why one might want to kill the unborn child. None the less I think the government should definitely back out of our personal lives. I have to agree with Agent of Chaos, prostitution does not hurt anyone, unless you were to get an STI/STD.
wushuq92 - 19 03 09 - 16:33

wushuq92,

You have no problem with gays protecting you? And how would you know that unless you have gone through it? The problem with people today is that they think too much on how they think they would react, when in fact they have never gone through the situation at all.

Those of you who refuse God, and denounce him with all the scientific research and terminology you can muster, I can GUARENTEE that some if not all would say a prayer when leaving your civilized bubble and entering combat. Because when it comes down to it, the only thing stopping that bullet, or that IED from ripping your limbs off is God. You can say all the logic you want about bullet trajectories and the like, but explain the reports of soldiers who have come back with holes in their uniform and not a single hole on their body?

You people have no idea what live is about and the effects fear and the need to survive have on the psyche. No idea at all.

-Stan
Stan () - 19 03 09 - 19:11

Sorry Menace, I couldn’t understand you when you don’t use sentences. As per your first post: “a gay would rape you ?? what ?? when ?? What the fuck ?? lame theocratic Conservative excuses LOL and what you imply is the tyranny of the majority and it’s not legit in any system”

Who says that’s lame theocratic ideals? See this is the problem I have with some people. They claim anarchism because of the path it leads towards the truth, and then they so obviously ignore the truth on other aspects. How on earth do you know about rape in the Army? Have you served? Have you read the statistics, and have had to have gone through sexual harassment and prevention training?

Do you know what a deployment does to soldiers? Do you know how many rape cases are reported between men and women overseas? Do you know how many go unreported? Hundreds.

Not to mention the psychological aspect it has on everyone: the chain of command that has to deal with it, the victim facing psychological problems, the villian who is now facing trial, and the unit for looking bad for housing a soldier of this disgust.

How are people so blind? You tell me you know, but it’s obvious that you have no idea how to do any sort of research, or to support the truth when it is so evident, especially coming from someone who has BEEN THERE AND DONE IT with the Army.

Holy fuck, honestly. Wise up.

-Stan.
Stan () - 19 03 09 - 19:12

I don’t know how these posts got mixed out of order… but anyway.

Back to wushuq92 and his other quote: “Most men probably feel they are being undermined if a gay man were able to protect them”

Most men probably???? And you’re basing your views off of a probably, and what you think? How absurd. This isn’t just directed at you but a lot of people. Opinions have no place in a factual argument. When looking to solve a problem, go to where that problem is going to affect (the Army), and SEE WHAT PEOPLE WHO ARE IN IT FEEL ABOUT IT.

If everyone does not want Gays in the Army, why the fuck would anybody let them in? I do not understand this at all.

Am I wrong?
Stan () - 19 03 09 - 19:15

It would be like someone trying to support your Anarchist movement, but spewing out all the wrong ideals and misleading people from the start, which is a very problem to your cause.

Would you let this person continue, simply because he has the right to freedom of speech? Would you let him continue because it’s his right to do what he wants?

Fuck no, you’d try to stop him because he’s doing your work a discredit, and you would be much better without him.

Same damn thing. Keep things in perspective, and view situations from all angles.

- Stan
Stan () - 19 03 09 - 19:19

The reason why prostitution is illegal was because after the 50’s, prostitutes more and more were becoming
murder cases (if you catch my drift). So it was banned as a dangerous or deadly act. Before it was just extremely
looked down upon.

Abortion i think is pretty wrong. Hell that’s what adoption is for, you just don’t kill a child if you don’t want it.
Thats like my parents just wanting to kill me if they didn’t want me anymore.
It’s just as bad as killing another human being because that’s what it is.

And as for rape in the army, i’m sure it does happen. BUT just because your gay doesn’t mean you would rape someone.
Gay or straight if you rape someone it’s because your a sick individual.
Gay marriage, I’m surprised is illegal, just another example of how hypocritical America is.
“FREEDOM OF CHOICE!!!, except for you gay people”
Blak-Toothgrin - 19 03 09 - 19:30

I think you speak the truth Stan.
It’s wrong for people to make judgments on something without ever having experienced it.
Blak-Toothgrin - 19 03 09 - 19:38

Well evidently from the comments on here Stan feels very strongly about his opinions, but you have to look at both sides, I understand what you are saying I know several people in the US ARMY and the Marines. None of these people know anyone that has been raped in the military. I am in no way shape or form trying to say that it doesnt happen, but what you are saying is that if a gay is in the military they will most likely rape you. The chances of getting raped are relatively slim. I do apologize if I in any way insulted you, but you must realize that not all gay guys are going to rape you. I have several gay friends and if you simply explain to them that you respect there choices, however you do not feel the same way they will not do anything to you. Maybe one reason you think this is a possibility is because of the sexual deprivation most men experience while in combat. I am not entirely sure where you "statistics" come from, I have spent a while trying to find the rape statistics in armed forces, but so far no luck. If you do have a credible source then feel free to post it on here. To address one of the comments where you smashed my statement about men feeling undermined by gays, you said that opinions have no place in a factual argument. I believe it to be the au contraire because without opinions where wold we be now. Look at all the scientists in our history that have gone against the "facts" and have been correct. Look at Columbus’s view, everyone "knew" the earth was flat, well guess what they were wrong. Sometimes opinions are very much so needed and I think this was one of those times. I am not telepathic so i can not tell you whether most men feel this way, but some of my friends get very angry/jealous if/when a homosexual man beats them in some kind of masculine contest e.g. Football, MMA Fighting, arm wrestling. When someone that is more feminine then you is able to best you of course you are going to feel undermined that is just a common reaction to feel that way.
wushuq92 - 19 03 09 - 19:45

to Blak-Toothgrin
your statement you can adopt is very bland
i myself am not for or against abortion, its a very sticky thing, and theres many things to consider
but there are many kids there adopted in to horrible households
im not saying your wrong but there are many indivual varable to consider
[nick] () - 19 03 09 - 20:21

That doesn’t mean you can just kill a child that didn’t even get the chance to crawl.
And yeah i can understand it can be a scary thing for some women, but killing a child
just because you don’t want it (or can’t) seems a little cold hearted, thats all.
Blak-Toothgrin - 19 03 09 - 21:44

Everyone keeps throwing thier opinions into the ring on what is wrong and what is right based on thier own morality.
Remember, what one sees as a moral issue, another may not. To impose ones own morals on another and deem it law is bullshit. These examples are issues of personal choice. If you do not agree with prostitution for example, simply do not partake in it. If you do not agree with abortion do not partake in it. If you do not agree with adultry do not do it. Natural laws such as rape, murder, and theft of personal items will always be enforced by any society you live in. Squabbling over what others do with their personal life on issued that do not affect you in any way, is nothing more than one person wanting to have power over another.
A.O.C. - 20 03 09 - 01:39

As a rule of thumb, one can typically observe that a law legislated based upon a moral standard will be utilized to disguise more serious abuse of democratic principles, and also that these more serious abuses will typically engender the increased isolation of capital and power to the presently reigning ruling class.

A classic example are so-called “Vagrancy” laws. They’re used today to move homeless people about and prevent squatting, supposedly to address the moral issue of what’s termed laziness. But Vagrancy laws are actually among the oldest laws written in the english language, dating back to the late 1500s. I don’t want to give too much of a history lesson here, but all the same, here goes.
The Ruling governmental system of the medieval era was called feudalism. It was made up of an elaborate network of church-supported despots, loosely arranged on national/cultural lines. A requisite for this system to work is a large surplus of labor, which was indeed quite abundant. Tradesmen and skilled craftsmen had to compete ferociously for apprenticeships and patronages from local Lords, who had their pick of the litter, so to speak.
But then came the black plague.
The surplus labor supply was wiped out, and suddenly the power equation was reversed. The skilled tradesmen and laborers had instead their pick of Lords, who were very much not pleased by this shift in the traditional arrangement. So they developed vagrancy laws, so that if a skilled worker was not working in order to recieve a better deal from his employer, he could be considered ‘vagrant’ and then killed, tortured, or whatever. As the typical power balance returned, it was no longer necessary for the tyrants to throw their tradesmen in jail, as they had once again secured economic and politcal means by which to enslave these men. Thereafter, the vagrancy laws fell into disuse, as they often have throughout history. But they keep popping in and out of use, and those instances are telling. For example, some centuries after the plague, they were used to persecute puritans after englands civil war, burn witches, recapture runaway slaves, expropriation of property, all the way up to the modern day. It’s infinately transmutable, and has been used for a truly mind-boggling list of enforcements all over the world. Most nations have them in some form or another.

Surely, vagrancy laws have been of great use to the powerful, for they confer upon those in power the ability to designate what vagrancy is. Take for example a modern equivalent of the vagrancy laws, emminent domain. This basically confers upon the US federal government the ability, without trial or election or public oversight of any kind, to sieze any land or property for any use at anytime when it is in the “Emminent Domain” of government interest. Interestingly, it is the government which gets to decide what falls into that category. The term itself could be virtually anything and interpreted a number of ways, but it kind of boils down to “immediate necessity” or “Particular purview” or “Closely Related Aparatus/Fixture” of the government. It could be sliced a thousand other ways, but it all ends essentially the same: ‘The Government gets to decide what should be done with your property if it decides it has decided to. If it has made this decision, you have no choice but compliance. Resistance indicates that you do not recognize that the government has more need of your property than you.’ The implication is obviously that they know better than we do what should be done with our property, especially when it meets arbitrary criterion that will be decided upon after such time as the property has already been confiscated and fully used to purpose.

Of course, in use, emminent domain has been used primarily to shield the military and various economic tyrants (think DuPont) from responsibility in incidents like ecological disaster. It could just as easily ( and likely has been) be used to steal lands from people and hand them over to private firms like mining corporations. Just as it was used to break up unions, just as it was used to force carpenters to work. It seems to me like a bizzare notion that a select few members of a governing, ruling class, should be given the power not only to enforce what is right or wrong, but also the power to decide what those terms are. Perhaps its even more bizzarre that people would find it shocking that when such power is given to a handful of individuals in a society, shock! That those people would then go out and use that power to enrich themselves, shock! that those individuals would endevor to establish means by which to perpetuate their power. Shock and disbelief!
Because that same handful of ruling elites also gets to decide what we hear in school, and what we read, and every little thing that informs a person and their opinions. The old saying goes that “Whoever first discovered water certainly was not a fish”.
Well comrades, we’re swimming in a sea of oppression.
Hale - 20 03 09 - 15:15

I think all the laws we have today are in place because it makes an attempt to help stupid people live longer, because if we didn’t tell people what to do then they’d either end up dead or killing someone else.

Since people are generally stupid, people like us who know something is wrong, tend to hate the system because it doesn’t benefit our view of a good society.

All I can say is that I believe laws are in place for a reason… to fix something in the past. I don’t think it’s a big conspiracy, nor oppression, but rather a system of laws to help protect those who should have died long ago.

Just a though LOL
Stan () - 20 03 09 - 16:05

People are made stupid by government (school specifically), then they say it’s their own fault they’re stupid
Blak-Toothgrin - 20 03 09 - 17:39

Stan, watch the evilness of power, it gives a good reasons to why laws are in place and why people think they need hiararchy. Menace made a good point about Holland and the crime rate over there and I have yet to see a solid rebuttal to his arguement. It seems to me as though people are afraid of the outside world and mainstream media perpetuates these fears.
Even in an anarchist society there would be natural laws upheld in the comminuty like the 3 I mentioned above, and violators would face expulsion from the community.
To make up a law pertaining to so called crimes when there are no victims is wrong no matter how you slice it.
A.O.C. - 20 03 09 - 17:49

I’ll be honest with you, I didn’t even read his post because I couldn’t follow it without sentences. I’ll admit I don’t know anything about Holland, but what I think would spawn from a drug and prostitution filled country would be a lazy attitude. I haven’t done any research, but does Holland have anything to contribute to technology? Most stoners I have met don’t like to do anything but do drugs, which kind of voids the hard-work ethic needed to progress in society. But like I said, I don’t know anything about Holland so this is only my experience with people I have known.

As per Blak-Toothgrin, the stupid I am referring to is common sense stupid. I relate this stupid to the kind you see in the movies, where a girl is being chased by two men, and after killing one of them with a knife/gun, she drops it and is chased by the second. Why the fuck would you drop the weapon if the other one is still chasing you? Oh yes, you’re an idiot.

I would like to say that not everyone is made stupid by the government, because there are those who drop out of school, never go to school, or only go to school to be there but do not learn. There are also others who go to school and graduate, but have other life problems that they can’t pursue their careers because they’re too caught up in crime or drugs.

I don’t think our nature is made that way because of government schooling. This shit happened way back before organized education. People still had wars then and there was still oppression by their king/leader.

I’ll watch that video A.O.C. I just think that today there’s more than the government at fault, and we can’t solely blame it. I’ll get back to you when I finish it.

-Stan
Stan () - 20 03 09 - 18:15

Ah yes, i do find there to be a lack in common sense among most people.
Blak-Toothgrin - 20 03 09 - 18:45

I’m about halfway through that movie. I can relate: here in the Army I have always thought that if everyone took responsibility onto themselves to do what is necessary, then we would be living in a perfect society. No one would have to tell anybody else what to do, because everyone knows what has to get done. The problem is that people are lazy, and you are only as good as your worst worker. Because there are lazy workers, others have to pick up the slack, and that’s where delegating tasks and authority comes into play.

I think this is a phenomenal idea and I agree with it 100%, but I doubt that there is any possibility of this happening in modern society.

-Stan
Stan () - 20 03 09 - 19:39

The article begins with demanding two essential errors as true:

1. Morality would be a matter of personal choice. That is nonsense: Our genomes contain a basic-program of behaviour that includes the (in German) so called sane human feeling as the born measure of morality. In short: “What You don´t want to get by others do not do to others!”

2. Religion would be the attempt to declare those things people couldn´t get by science. That might be one explantion, but that is not the explanation for the dominating religions. The explanation for those is another one: To lead people against their born nature You need an apparent legitimation that seems to be higher than their own feelings and thoughts. That way the Catholican Church pressed down the natural biological wedding by telling the poeple it would be the will of God that a half of it would be forbidden, and those who wouldn´t do according the will of God would be totured after their deaths up to the end of all times.

http://www.sexualaufklaerung.at/united-a..

http://de.wordpress.com/tag/united-anarc..

Kindest regards to our Brothers and Sisters in the U.S.A. !

By the name of german Anarchists

Winfried Sobottka
winfried sobottka () (URL) - 21 03 09 - 08:42

morality IS a matter of personal choice whether or not it was taught or gleaned through life experience. Morality has absolutly nothing to do with genetics, and to presume so is absurd.
A.O.C. - 21 03 09 - 15:33

To some degree we as humans have morals. It comes with our ability to make right and wrong decisions. If we didn’t know right from wrong, then we would be animals acting on instinct.

Some things are accepted by society as morally correct and incorrect. A 40 year old man raping a 10 year old girl could probably considered to be wrong by most of society.

Anyway, I’ll get to my point. I am pro-life. I am not for any forms of legislation against abortion because I am an anarchist, but I am pro-life. Yes, you can do what you want, whenever you want and however you want. Right now in our society, people think abortions are necessary to be legal to help save women who can’t afford children and blah blah blah. Sure, whatever. But if we could eliminate the pressures that women have to get abortions, then this entire “morally correct” prolife/choice matter can be avoided. It wouldn’t be illegal for women to get abortions, but women wouldn’t need to get them because they could get help and be provided for and everyone would be happy.

So what do I propose? Help pregnant women. Don’t make fun of pregnant teens. Resistance is fertile. We need children for our futures. The government keeps telling us that it’s ok to destroy ourselves and stay submissive. I say fuck that. Let’s have children and educate them. How can we have a successful revolution with no one to continue the legacy?

Oh and Black-tooth, I agree. how can we be a pro-choice nation when hillary clinton proposed that all mentally challenged children be aborted before birth or else health care would not be provided for you? If my mother refuses to perform an abortion (because she does not want to) she will be fired (Obama passed some weird bill that I can’t remember the name of). It’s her body and her choice. Why persecute my mother for something she believes in?

And I still don’t understand homophobia.

peace!
Pax () - 21 03 09 - 17:16

my beliefs tell me taht its not alive and human till it tells you how it feels and can describe life

young humans are more animals than anything
I DONT MEAN THIS CRUELLY
ken drake () - 21 03 09 - 19:39

So we can eat our children because they don’t respond back to us Ken Drake?
What about those born deaf and blind.
Young humans are not animals, they are humans, just without social skills.

A lot of people here are still saying it’s okay to just kill a child because “it’s their right”.
I don’t care if you made it or not you can’t take a human life.
Blak-Toothgrin - 21 03 09 - 20:47

that may of sounded silly
but i still made a good point :)
Blak-Toothgrin - 21 03 09 - 21:39

morality is inherently flawed. legislation of morality is the result of our flagrant refusal to accept the fact that we are self regulating individuals. morality is a moot point anyway, being so sickeningly subjective. we do not need to make the right/wrong distinction, because exercising our own freedom should never happen at the expense of the collective. which, i believe, does not give credence to collectivism, just an acknowledgment that we have a social responsibility to those around us. we foster our own freedom by surrounding ourselves with free people. legislating morality is the one-two punch that robs us of our individual capacity to effectively serve the collective, and reduces us to a herd of cows. chewing cud.
ummichas () - 21 03 09 - 22:19

regarding abortion: our conscious – ness (and the resulting technology) has enabled us to utilize the female reproductive organs to serve our individual needs.

depending on the literature, btn 25 – 50% of conceptions end in spontaneous abortion (gestational errors). my opinion based on what i have read is that it is damn close to 50%. my take on this is not emotional. going by the close to 50% estimate, for every successful birth, 1 spontaneous abortion occurred. spontaneous abortion is mother natures way of saying ‘oops’, lets give this another go here. for some reason or another. a lot of the time it is neural tube defects, really potentially debilitating stuff. your body actually has mechanisms in place that detect poorly formed parts! beautiful! your body makes its own value judgment! so, knowing that your own body does this with great frequency on its own, what’s so ‘bad’ about an individual making a conscious (valied or not) value judgment about their own life situation, and deciding to abort? it’s their own freedom at stake.
ummichas () - 21 03 09 - 22:39

I think the big thing to realize is that in a society where you can do whatever you want, each individuals responsibility and discipline will ultimately fail.

When you can abort when you want, do what you want, and live whatever life you choose, the ability to choose between right from wrong would soon go away (I would think). Imagine a world where parents weren’t able to discipline their kids. I think we’d be worse off.
Stan () - 22 03 09 - 09:58

Obviously, A.O.C. touched upon a topic that needed to be addressed.

Indeed, the state should have no bearing on personal (moral) matters. As anarchists, we understand the importance of responsible and respectful humans having access to complete freedom. Yet these issues are intrinsically linked to society and all its flaws. The true issue should be in breaking down artificial systems that benefit the state’s control over benevolent people. Looking at these issues as being “moral” highlights how sick human civilization truly is.

Abortion – As far as I know, I have yet to see a case of wild primates sticking coat hangers into themselves. Let me know if you can find one. Abortion is a violent act. A personal, violent act.

Prostitution – While humans should have the right to do whatever, I feel prostitution is not helpful for involved parties. Humanity should be better than degrading practices.

Homosexuality – It is sad that we still have these talks. Being caught up on homosexuals in the military is unnecessary. I used to be in the military, so I’m not some “ignorant” person. It is simple archaic beliefs that keep gays out. Although, romantic relationships can undermine certain military functions…which is why there are guidelines for straight couples. Blah, blah, blah. A human is a human, not their sexual orientation. Period.

Again, it is not the role of the state to regulate. Only to defend.

To Stan – Humans when left to themselves, without the aid of modern civilization, tend to do what is necessary to ensure their survival. Anarchy is about responsible freedom, not mindless chaos. Instead of arguing creeds, we need to be positive examples of how anarchy works.
[zero] () - 22 03 09 - 15:38

like i said, we have the ability to modify our body. spontaneous abortion is not pretty either. it can (is) very devastating. primates would not use a coat hanger anyways. you are right in the sense that the primate would conceive the young. if the environment is not suitable, the young will starve to death. if the adults are hungry, they will eat the young.

why do we not suffer the latter two options you ask??? 1. the STATE takes care of unwanted babies, born to irresponsible parents, 2. abortion.

i will concede that a 2nd or 3rd trimester abortion is quite disturbing. anything after 8 wks, really. at 8 wks, a little cute thing. good reason to carry on anyways.

as for a violent act, i would call it a freeing action, but then only when under great duress as a last options.
ummichas () - 25 03 09 - 00:32

Well, they make a pill for that…

Respect for life aside, what’s so wrong with following the examples of our evolutionary ancestors. Nature works fine, and that was my point all along. The weak perish and the strong exist to replenish. Hard to choke down in our humanist society, I know. (for the record, I respect the freedom of choice. Not my personal choice or fight, but I will support freedom however necessary.)
zero - 27 03 09 - 12:05

YES BY ALL MEANS EAT THE CHILDREN
HONESTLY I SWERVE FOR THEM WHILE ON THE ROAD
go ahead nothing matters we are all screwed
ken () - 28 03 09 - 09:35

sigh… surprise, surprise someone that believes in a christian god doctrine thinks humans are inherently bad. Same old shit, again.

It’s also painfully obvious that every post here is by a male. Legal or illegal, like drugs, if a woman feels she has to abort she will find a way. Women are stronger and more ruthless to achieve their goals than us men; i love em so much ;]
gentlefurie - 30 03 09 - 22:03

Stan the fact that you are talking about gays raping people in the military is a sure sign you don’t know much about homosexuality. No offense, it just doesn’t work that way. Once again, people equate loving men as incontrolable blind sexual lust. Whatever. And as for the whole inherent thing, I don’t think humans are INHERENTLY good or bad, its all up to them and they’re experiences. To be honest, If I knew I could get away with it, I would kill a LOT of people. Like, Triple digits. I have a fucking list. First that Keith asshole, then that Micheal guy, then Gerome’s dog because the stupid fucker pissed on my plants, then I’d probably take out, well, whatever, I’m rambling.
Matthew () - 30 03 09 - 22:53

A.O.C. has come across a very critical point in discussing the subjectivity of morality, as can be noted by the debate that has ensued. Nature itself holds the power of life and death by means of nature disasters, plagues, birth, and photosynthesis. That is nature’s way of regulation, without this regulation, our world’s carrying capacity would soon be reached, and all life, human and animal alike, would slowly die off in order to achieve that balance. Now, I seem rambling, but there is a point to all this jabber. Cells ejected from the uterus of a woman can be understood as us regulating ourselves, only not directly, which would be ridiculous and morbid. The morality of abortion is an absurd argument to begin with. Anti-abortionists should protest masturbation in order to be consistent, it’s all potential life.
As far as homosexuals in the military, I happen to be apart of the Air Force (unfortunate decision on my part, but learning what i can from the experience), and there is an extreme sense of camaraderie. We are trained to trust each other despite ourselves so that we may depend on each other for survival. In battle, I could care less if the guy next to me thinks i have a hot ass, because when i know our lives are at stake, we can depend upon one another, that’s simply how we think. I personally haven’t heard of gay rape cases, sorry Stan.
I like Stan by the way, if not for him I wouldn’t have posted this.
Kenton - 05 04 09 - 00:00

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A.O.C. - 06 04 09 - 00:11

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