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17 01 09 - 17:46

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There's been much talk of late on the subject of the enemies of the Revolution; I feel that while this is an appropriate topic
of conversation, it is one which should be considered with equal amounts of introspection. After all, how can we rightly
determine who or what may be counter-revolutionary, when there is no single 'Revolutionary Way'? And what good does it
for us to throw about very serious labels which might in fact be counter-productive to our splendid cause? We must be
very cautious comrades; there are real enemies all about, and we must not make enemies of each other. In the old days,
bosses sent spies into unions, to pose as workers, in order to subvert those unions and their causes. The spies would
accomplish these tasks in a wide variety of ways, as clever as any you or I might devise. They would always be there, an
anonymous face in the crowd or sometimes even a close associate, pushing the discussion further radical, further extreme;
to encourage violence and criminality.
There lies the true danger comrades. Once we allow the bosses, the bourgeoisie,
our true enemies, to provoke us to anger, we fall into their trap--- once we stoop to violence, we become the criminals
they need us to be so that they can lock us up and silence our voices; We become the barbarians their newsmen need
us to be, so that they can villainize us on the TV-screens and morning newspapers of millions of otherwise uninformed
people. When we allow ourselves to descend into pointless bickering and in-fighting, when we are divided, we proove
ourselves to be the disunified rabble that they need us to be, in order to justify the oppression they feel that they
need to levy upon us. And most of all- when we stoop to violence, when we allow ourselves to implement violence as
a means of imposing our own authority, we become no better than them, no different from what we seek to overthrow.

Force is the most crude expression of power and authority that there can be, and if we truly intend to create a
non-authoritarian society, we must abhor its use, both against us as well as by us. A revolution is 360 degrees- upon
its completion, you're exactly back where you started, facing the same problems, though perhaps with different names.
Such was the case with the Soviet Union. Be cautioned, reader, many gross over-simplifications follow. At it's outset,
the revolution was quite a spontaneous thing, undertaken by the vast majority of the proliteriat in that country. During
what came to be known as the Russian Civil War, foriegn interests from the world over invaded Russia, strangling her of
her resources in the hopes primarily of, among a long list of various other imperial objectives and ambitions, collecting on
debts incurred by the Tsar during the first World War. The resilience of the Russian People has often been
underestimated throughout history. Eventually, the proud socialist people of Russia repelled the foriegn occupiers of
the USA and other western powers, not by force of arms, but by fomenting of a series of pro-socialist rebellions and
mutinies among the foriegn troops there; The Russian people never gave up on spreading the word of socialism, printing
newspapers and "zines" on anything that would take ink- from trash to leaves, and they were not afraid to distribute
their ideas; they were not afraid even though they were cold and starving, bloody and unarmed. And make no mistake,
comrades, many died doing so.
The sturdy Russian people prevailed, and thereafter ocurred one of history's greatest
tragedies; the establishment of a centralized State over the recently freed proliteriat. It is an old debate among the
socialist tradition- How exactly to implement the revolution? Shall we work within society, to change it peacefully?
Or shall we work to destroy the state and start fresh? And there are so many answers to either one, and many
questions and sub-questions, and ideas and theories abound. In Russia was established a centralized state, to
single-handedly foster the revolution. A single, organized body to legislate it all, one voice to determine the logistics,
and to re-distribute the wealth. Which, as we know now, became a highly dysfunctional system, as well as
counter-revolutionary. The elephant in the room about centralized authority, even when legislated by a representative
majoritarian assembly, is that on every issue such a system encounters, there is necessarily a small, sometimes
not-so-small, dissenting group--- but the party cannot allow for dissent among any sector, as such would undermine
the central authority of the organization; and so you have a system which ultimately serves the interests of a small
ruling class in disproportion to the proliteriat which the system is supposed to serve; one which is used to stratify power,
and to seclude such power from the proliteriat. Such a system is particularly prone to overthrow by men like Stalin.

And so the revolution was complete- 360 degrees, right back to where they started, with Tsar Stalin in the Kremlin.
It could just as easily be Putin. The same is, in it's own way, true of the US revolution, or the French revolution,
or any of the countless Democratic revolutions of any country that have ocurred. Once the power from that revolution
is centralized, authority and its venomous ways again come to prey upon the people. And if a revolutionary people
do not centralize their power, such as it was with the Paris Commune of the Spanish Collectives, that such a people
can be reasonably be sure that the centralized authority of other states elsewhere in the world will not stand for
open defiance of political dogma. Neither will those authorites miss the opportunity for plunder as has been shown
by the Russian Civil War and countless others like it. What then is there to be said for we revolutionaries today?
We surely do not wish to see such betrayals befall our own causes.
The trick is not to foster one revolution, but
rather a condition of perpetual revolt--- not necessarily destructive, rather, a state of continual, creative flux;
with individuals, not centralized authorities or sectarian political alliances, as the active component of all human
society at all levels and extremities. Where if a man is in a situation which is counter-productive to his personal
goals, he is not only free to alter his situation as he sees fit, but is facilitated in his efforts to do so by a political
and economic system in which all resources, including power, are equally and effectively distributed to all individuals,
each man (no gender distinction) producing freely according to his abilities to produce, and each man
(again no gender distinction) recieving recieving the necessary implements and resources according to his requirement for them,
without precondition of servitude or debt.
Hale
29 comments

Fucking wow man, that is shit that I’ve been trying to say for years man… Fucking genius
Ryan () (URL) - 18 01 09 - 08:02

Very, very excellent my friend.
But, if we want to live in peace, we cannot have a government or an authority.
If we keep letting the governments stay in power it’s going to be a complete totalitarianism rule
before long. How are we going to get rid of government with pens, protests, and words.
We have to do something before it’s to late, before the mass populace is either brainwashed
or dead. I mean, it’s starting to happen already!

Please respond.
Blak-Toothrgrin - 18 01 09 - 10:49

Seriously amazing. The part of violence really confused me for awhile though.
BlackBird () - 18 01 09 - 10:50

Great Article Hale. 2 points I feel need to be made
1) Peaceful change has to come about by obtaining proper numbers. Small sects of like-minded individuals is not enough to instill peaceful change, but they can push to undo the propagated mind control that has been inflicted by those in power in order to gain those proper numbers.
2) Agression: Rovolts, whether it comes from the mind or deed, will be met in violence from the other side. Those with power will not relenquish thier power willingly.
What is one of the only animals that can take a lions prize away from him? tic, toc, tic, toc.
A hyena, they use small bursts of agression, intimidation and the key…..numbers.
They are the lions my friends and us the hyenas. we just need a few more in the pack.
A.O.C. - 18 01 09 - 13:54

Blak-Toothgrin: The ruling establishment is already totalitarian- at no point has it really ceased to be so. The reigns of power have passed with little dispersal to the people, from kings to the captains of industry and commerce. The governments of the world have been essentially structured by these people as a means of shaping societies over time so as to justify, legitimate, and perpetuate the rule of the few over the many. This influence is not limited to the governments, but in every institution of centralized power: schools & universities, churches, news media, civic organizations, businesses, and on and on and on, all with the same incidental purpose. It’s been going on so long that nobody living now remembers who started it all; no single person ever did, as a mater of fact. Rather, the contemporary world with its customs formed gradually—- evolved, if you will—- over the course of countless generations.
Everybody’s brain is ‘washed’ in the common currents of our times and experiences in society, as afforded to them by their station at birth, or by the events and happenstances of their life-time.

AOC: It is certainly true that our ultimate victory lies in the expansion of our numbers. Indeed, we will need the whole world and all it’s people. But as to violence and agression, I cannot budge an inch. Of course those in power won’t relinquish their authority— and neither would you, were the situation reversed. They have been educated by our society in much the same manner as anyone else, but their experience in life is vastly different. The experiences and education that inform their decisions have been structured, laregley by the chance of birth, so as to teach them different lessons, and they learn what others around them value, and learn to value those things the same way.

The word is “paradigm”- it’s a person’s world view. A paradigm is the sum total of a person’s understanding; our paradigm is our world, and no two person’s are the same. Paradigms can be influenced and changed. 1000 years ago, everyone “knew” the earth was flat; 500 years ago, everyone “knew” that the sun went around the earth.
Today, everyone “knows” that an anarchistic society wouldn’t work- even if that is the extent of their knowledge on the subject. It’s what we’ve all been tought, it’s how we’ve been informed by the society in which we grew up.

But Paradigms change, and the world changes with them. We are not hyenas, AOC, neither are we lions. We are human beings, equiped with reason, and rationality, and logic, and wisdom, and best of all we can teach these things to others we know, and pass them on to posterity, to the future. The point is, each of us here, we have our own paradigms, and though among us we have each been formed by our society, we have rebelled, changed; and I say comrades that if you examine your own personal past, you can easily remember that which compelled you first to your personal rebellion, and you can easily remember the things that you learned to solidify you in your convictions;
and comrades, if you can learn these things, so too can those around you. If anyone can learn them, anyone can teach them.

We boost our numbers by spreading knowledge, and by teaching, and by wisdom- not by violence, not by authority, but by freely associating, and freely sharing our ideas and convictions. Agression has no place in this process, for agression breeds only resistance. A mind coerced is a mind destroyed. Our challenge is to change minds, and in so doing we change the world. We cannot allow ourselves to become that which we rebel against, by using violence as a lever of our own, self-appointed authority. How, after all, can an anti-authoritarian revolution be applied with force? Such is the definition of hypocrisy!
Hale - 18 01 09 - 16:12

we anarchists advocate a social revolution but whit out a political backbone like the CNT had from the FAI back in the Spanish Civil War then we won’t go nowhere and violence will be used when its needed in some parts of the world its needed in some parts its not needed it depends on place and situation thats my only statement on this we need a strong POLITICAL backbone
Menace () - 18 01 09 - 17:24

Truly amazing
Your right. Most anarchist that base off violence give the rest a bad name.
Most of the people I talk to don’t beleive that anarchy would work, because to them, anarchy means “Chaos”
If we can just go out there and spread this message that our goal isn’t chaos, but instead just pure freedom, it might actually become reality for us
AnArchistic Hippie - 18 01 09 - 17:34

Well said, Hale. If we can learn anything from the 2008 presidential campaigns, it’s that fear mongering permeates global politics and the news media. We gain nothing by giving them something more to fear. The only way forward is education; teach them that there is nothing to fear. But to be another abstract threat on a nightly newscast is, as you said, to render ourselves hypocrites.
[Jezebel] - 18 01 09 - 19:12

I am in complete agreement to A.O.C. Peaceful resolution is only possible if 85% of the population decided to let the system fail. The people would have to give up on the sytem. Now this isnt easey seeing how the system claims to own every peice of land, every soldier, every gas station and such. They even claim the right to draft young men like myself and send me to a war for whatever reason. And they will have me kill for them. Now here s the paradigm are we being hypocritical when we go off and kill for these politicians in the name of god, country, or just to stop the “evil terrorists” from coming over here? They hold the right to send us to kill?? Every generation so far except the latter, has had a draft. And I dont think we will be lucky enough to avoid another one. Besides with population boooming out of control, a war would be just what we need. So comrade Hale would you feel more comfortable killing their enemys or killing yours. I am certain you would rather kill no one, as you have stated your against senseless violence. As am I, Martin luther King was once quoted saying that when you take away the right to a peaceful solution, violence is inevitable. History has provin this. And history repeats, but every revoultion so far has led us further than we were before. Evertime something is improved. And as to educating the masses, I am more for this than any other act to change. And I have been quite active in this field, and comrade I tell you, there is reason for dispair. These kids are indifferent to my words, they dont care. They dont know or want to know. How do educate someone whos eyes are shut, ears are deaf, and mind is closed? How do you convert a mormon from birth into another religion, how do you teach someone who does not want to learn? You cant. And wont. The mases will not wake up anytime soon, I am not saying we should violently force them to see other possibilities, I think we should opress the opressors. Obliverate the brainwashers. Harsh words yes with even harsher consequenses. And small chance at succeeding, But I will lay my life down for what I beleive is right. Every one of our forefathers(Ben Frank, Thomas Jeff, Thomas Paine, ect.) knew this, and put their lifes on the line for their just cause. We have a just cause.
This one - 18 01 09 - 20:09

What happens when the government is the one to cast the first stone? Are we to let our comrades fall on the field as we stand idly by? Are we to turn the other cheek? When we are getting thrown into FEMA camps because of our views, which will be justified by the patriot act, will we not resist? We cannot play checkers when the ones in power are playing chess.
But I am very glad that we agree that this is a time for awakening, not violence.
A.O.C. - 18 01 09 - 21:21

A.O.C this quote fits right in “It doesn’t mean that I advocate violence, but at the same time, I am not against using violence in self-defense. I don’t call it violence when it’s self-defense, I call it intelligence.”

plus you can’t make “peaceful” revolution in countries like mines where they knock u if u are a leftist first we need a political backbone that can indoctrinate people then we create a paramilitary wing cause if we don’t comprehend both emotions of love and hate we will go NOWHERE these is no real change when u lack one of those emotions
Menace - 19 01 09 - 06:01

Yes it is time for change but we need more people on our side, we need thousands upon thousands.
We also need to undo the damage done to them by the mass
media and government. Only then should we look at the bigger picture.
But then i think about it, At any moment the amerikan government can just throw out the laws that were set in
place whenever they please, it’s just a freak stroke of luck they haven’t yet.
Our forefathers said that when the gov. becomes to powerful, we (the people),
not just have a responsibility but a duty to stop it.
Blak-Toothgrin - 19 01 09 - 07:15

When the government throws the first stone, you’d better believe that no one hears about it. When we throw stones back, we make the nightly news. And millions of people who weren’t there, who have no frame of refference outside of what they’ve been told by government and news agencies, they might as well assume that we threw first. The media won’t likely portray it differently.
We may win days with violence, we might win battles, but there is no way we can ultimately prevail with it. How many of you own a weapons factory? Or a munitions factory? Or manage a supply chain for food and water and fuel? We will never win this way agaisnt their collected might. There is no point in trying to fight fire with fire, when we have matches and they have napalm. Its a recipe for pointless self-destruction, and it hurts the communities in which we live;

more importantly, it hurts the very people that we need to convince of our cause! Let us say that there is a small business owner, a franchise of some corporate monster, who’s never heard one word about anarchy aside from the Joker’s speech in ‘Dark Knight’, and has his shop burned in the heat of an anti-globalization rally—-
He’s not going to side with the people who burned his shop—- he’ll probably side with the people who pay out his insurance, like the good citizen that he’s been instructed to be his whole life.

The fact is that the bourgeoisie are a very small fraction of our society, and though they wield great power, they do it mostly through proxy, and from isolation. They erect barriers to protect themselves through their control of society; the elements of their power that we most often encounter are civil servants and beauraucrats, who are really just innocent people that are trying to get by as best they can, just like any of us. They’re not responsible for the system as it is, they’re just components of it, human shields, as it were, and it does us no good to turn them against us.
If we can ‘convert’ these people, the backbone of the bourgeois power structure will break down.

But as we all know here, nobody ever really changed their mind because someone threatened them. Aggression breeds resistance, and the very last thing we need to be doing for our cause is creating additional resistance to it.
The best part is, we don’t need to actually threaten someone for them to feel threatened by us—
people have been tought their whole lives to fear us “radicals” and to fear change. The bourgeoisie have already done all the threatening for us! All that we need to do is confirm for them every rotten thing they’ve ever said about us, by doing exactly what they say we’ll do. It’s a trap, I say!

Anarchism, as we know it, is over 300 years old, but the struggle for freedom is as old as humanity itself. The point is, comrades, that we gain nothing by rushing things. It is very tempting to go off an haul a brick through a window, or set a couple of fires, or assassinate an Arch-Duke, or what have you. Our kind have been beaten down and kicked around for centuries now, and we’d be crazy not to be angry, we’d be crazy not to want to smash some shit up. But Rome was not built in a day, as the saying goes, and when use violence for our goals, at any level and at anytime, sure we might take a step forward—- that day—- but we’ll be taking three steps back, and maybe more later.
Hale - 19 01 09 - 08:18

This one: When someone is blind, or deaf, or mute, you try to open their eyes, or their ears. If they don’t want you to help them, though, you don’t have the right to help them against their wishes. You can tell that mormon everything under the sun that disproves his (or anyone else’s) God, but if he is not receptive to it, you’re just beating your own head against the wall, and setting him stronger against you. What you do is present your side of the story, calmly and politely; be well-thought out, and know your material well. If after this they, whoever they might be, remain unconvinced, you must let them remain so. Someday, they’ll come around, or maybe not. But if not them, maybe their kids. Or grandkids.
We must strive for the perpetual improvement of mankind, and even though we may fail to win one person, we might win another, and another, and another, and who knows- the latter three might convince the former one. We have to keep trying, we have to keep going, even when it seems darkest, most hopeless; Our perseverence legitimates our cause more than any god or government, and if we keep at it, others are sure to follow.
Its all well and good to have a just cause, but remember that many decidedly unjust causes have held that title.
We must prove our “just-ness” through actions and words which separate us from the old thinking and the old ways which came before. We resist the bitterness and violence and madness by ourselves being better, by setting an example. We identify ourselves, we define ourselves by this kind of resistance, and in so doing we illuminate our cause better than the light of ten thousand burning starbucks’.
Hale - 19 01 09 - 08:39

thats beautiful but even in anarchist terms that too idealistic i see humanity adopting some kind of anarchy or anarchy itself maybe 500 years in the future but not now but WE anarchists are built on militant ideologies Hale maybe u know most of us hold like a anarchist bible the Catechism Of A Revolutionary is a fairly violent enforcing way to deal whit things the principle of political violence must not be wiped out and i agree on that but still the message i like from u hale is that of studying first then trowing the molotov most anarchists now days are in a anarchist identity crisis its a huge anarchist identity crisis in the world so on that teach the people message i co-sign
meance - 19 01 09 - 10:02

Are you serious this is amazing
Scilence () - 20 01 09 - 21:08

You talk about non violence with a picture of a girl pointing an AR on the homepage. Which is it? This is not real, what you are talking about. You live, you die, change can hurt, or you can talk philosophy all day.
Bill - 22 01 09 - 14:38

bill, There are different writers with different view points and that is what makes anarchism a beautiful thing.
A.O.C. - 23 01 09 - 13:47

I’ve been thinking lately, communism, capitalism, democracy, and just about every other form of
government has failed so far. If you take a closer look it was because of the set base of rules they had.
The rules would not let them have any room to expand.

If we could have a government that would change with the times and trends instead of sticking with the same set of rules maybe government could work. Like kind of a conscious society instead of ones that could ONLY stick with the set rules.
Blak-ToothGrin - 23 01 09 - 14:11

A.O.C.—

Absolutely, but I see contradictions. That aside, when this Fascist government is more than willing to kill you and me in order to continue consumerism; pollute the air, water, food…starve people through the IMF...actually OUTLAW people having access to rainwater in order to force them to buy through an IMF thug…what choice is there? If I have a chance to defend myself I will not put myself at the mercy of someone with a gun to my head. These Fascists have a gun to your head and mine, and we have a chance to defend ourselves; violence is the only thing that will make it change.
Bill - 23 01 09 - 14:50

I agree whit Bill as i said violence must be used when it’s needed who decides when it’s needed that’s what people ask me and i response when it is called self-defense not self-defense like America uses it as a imperialist tool but actual self-defense and Blak-ToothGrin The State is the curse of the individual. . . The State must go in order to let consciousness out you must smash the state in order for a society to function the state must have no function what so ever i quote .in facing the problem of social transformation, the Revolution cannot consider the state as a medium, but must depend on the organisation of producers. We have followed this norm and we find no need for the hypothesis of a superior power to organised labour, in order to establish a new order of things. We would thank anyone to point out to us what function, if any, the State can have in an economic organisation, where private property has been abolished and in which parasitism and special privilege have no place. The suppression of the State cannot be a languid affair; it must be the task of the Revolution to finish with the State. Either the Revolution gives social wealth to the producers in which case the producers organise themselves for due collective distribution and the State has nothing to do; or the Revolution does not give social wealth to the producers, in which case the Revolution has been a lie and the State would continue. Our federal council of economy is not a political power but an economic and administrative regulating power. It receives its orientation from below and operates in accordance with the resolutions of the regional and national assemblies. It is a liaison corps and nothing else.”
Menace - 23 01 09 - 22:11

good point menace, there is a big problem though. Almost everybody in the entire world is ruled by government. going from total government control to absolutely none would be very hard and take a very long time and if we really do want change i think we should start now before it is to late

gee i wonder what it’s gonna be like in the next couple decades.
For once i would just want to see people happy and not going without.
Blak-Toothgrin - 24 01 09 - 00:57

Well said, Menace. My cautions about the revolutionary state still stand, though. Remember, the Bolshevikis later became the tyrants they hated. Centralized power is temptingly efficient, but if given to the use of force and the application of authority, it will again become the State which we seek to abolish; our revolution will have come 360 degrees, and we will again be oppressed.
I think my next article will be about Internationalist Federalism.
Hale - 24 01 09 - 07:24

Blak you must understand that workers-self management . industrial democracy and horizontal models in society will favour the majority not the minority so if the majority is happy then there is no problem thats why we are against elitism and Hale your argument was countered by Mikhail Bakunin himself he was expelled from the 1 international just because he talked about the authoritarian ways of Marxism and the rise of the “red bureaucracy” despite our so called brotherhood whit Marxists our soul doctrine goes against theirs even economical wise if we think about it
Menace - 24 01 09 - 12:15

You are very wise, menace.
Blak-Toothgrin - 24 01 09 - 12:41

So far all doctrines have floated to power on a river of blood. Let’s hope that the world we anarchists want will begin without a single drop shed, no souls to torment our prosperity, no skeletons ratlling in our collective closet.

Also, excuse the french but, fuck revolution time for an insurrection
gentlefurie - 26 01 09 - 21:03

Errr… love the article btw ;-) .
A discussion that is very necassary especially in lieu of muslim terrorism and U.S/ Isreali aggression having more and more a negative effect on their respective causes.
Learn from the mistakes of others. Knowledge is power, ignorance is bliss; knowing that the powers-that-be are ignorant is blissfully powerful.
gentlefurie - 26 01 09 - 21:17

I agree take for instance the sufferage movement , if anyone would have thrown any molotov’s it would just be used by the media to demonize them. No one will listen to you if you appear to be completley insane and violent, for instance and yes I knwo this is an odd example, but if a serial killer came up with the solution to world hunger no one would listen. If we riot people will fear us and think of our ideas as the product of insanity.
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