i wish stan the best
milwaukee anarchist - 02 01 09 - 19:44

I feel bad for you Stan,
but you know what, at least your actually concerned and already thinking about anarchy and a better enviornment, Just think that even if the Army is not working for the best at least you are. Your headed the right way and the military is just a test of your beliefs, Stay Strong (Not Army Strong)
SLC free (URL) - 03 01 09 - 07:52

its funny cause i will join the army soon of course i will not choose a military career i just want advanced combat training i feel bad for Stan cause he is fighting somebodies else war
black menace - 03 01 09 - 09:33

i always wanted to be a soldier, and i still do, but im not going to sign up for no army(im from Denmark) as long as the only real war we are fighting is the war on terror!
after i heard “Bin Laden” by Immortal Technique and really kept thinking about the song and it’s message i found out what the war on terror and the war in Iraq and Afghanistan is about. not about stopping al-Quada, they were founded by CIA not bin laden(if he even exsist), but about destroying Islam, it’s a war about racism and power covered in lies and propeganda.
I’m still young and i don’t fear to go to war, but if the war on terror is still going on when my time comes(currently 16 so might be 3-7 depending on how i plan my education) then i wont do any more time in the army than 4 monthes which i have to because of law. I’m only going to war if it is a “real” war where my country and my fake freedom needs me!
x-wanna-b-soldier - 03 01 09 - 12:25

i praise you for still being a soldier! because of your service, you are maintaining wat little freedom, we have to post on websites like this, and voice our opinion on this very subject, i too plan to enlist in the service for 2 reasons one is for the training, free education. and the second is to maintain the freedom of people like myself so they too can stand up against the corrupt machine of government
jason nicolae xzavier () (URL) - 03 01 09 - 15:28

Seriously, some of you are not getting it. look at stans position…He does not want to be there anymore, that should tell you all somthing. What good is a free education of you never make it back alive. Soldiers do not maintain freedom of others, they maintain the power of the corrupt. Did you not read what the flag said in the picture? You are missing stans point. He signed the contract under false pretense, he sees that now and wants out. he just does not want a dishonorable discharge because it will screw him later on down the road. Re-read his letter.
A.O.C. - 03 01 09 - 22:16

A.O.C. Is right,
You guys are falling into the exact same predicament as Stan. He says how much bullshit all the military crap is, and that is what you guys are doing joining the military. I am totally free choice oriented and if you want to join the military that is your choice, I choose not to but that is not the point, It is that Stan is trying to warn you like A.O.C. warned his cousin. And just a question for Jason, isnt the military part of the corrupt government machine? it seems that Stan has a very important message and it is being shifted to the side. I just think Stan is warning us and we are not listening.
[Asymmetrick panic] (URL) - 04 01 09 - 07:40

“isnt the military part of the corrupt government machine?”
Yeah, but what’s more corrupt is the ever-expanding privatization of the military. Using people like Stan as killing machines for their own profit.

Anyway. I’ve never bought into the “if you don’t support the war, at least support the troops” thing that’s been going on, but I do support good people like Stan. I’m sure you can get out without compromising your future (or life). It’s not like it’s like the mafia and you can’t get out once you develop a conscience. Or is it?
Eric () - 04 01 09 - 09:52

Eric i think it is like that in the army exact mob like in fact the mafia and the government are very similar if u know what i mean LOL
black menace - 04 01 09 - 13:24

Napoleon Bonaparte once commented that “a man does not have himself killed for a half-pence a day, or for some petty distinction- you must speak to the soul in order to electrify him”.

Jingoism and nationalism, hand in hand, serve to fill the ranks of armies and misinform the public. To this very day, all around the world, ghastly atrocities are occuring because of ‘patriotism’. In its very fundament, the justification for nationalism is dependent upon racist presumptions, ethno-centricity and the inheirant superiority of one group or another; and though with the procession of years States have sought to conceal this fact by a number of means, their efforts stand up poorly against serious inquiry.

Because of this, States seek to establish means by which to deflect serious inquiry and to prevent certain topics from entering into mainstream discussion; exactly this has been easily achieved, through control of educational and doctrinal institutions, and recently through the control of the media. Presently, we are engaged in a discussion of so-called “radical” or “dissident” thought—- even the word Anarchy itself has been turned into something of a slur to the common man, it’s meaning mutated to a condition of bestial madness, so as to preclude it from consideration. We’re political heretics.

It is a highly unfortunate circumstance for Stan. I admire his bravery, because I know that I would be terrified. The old saying goes that evil can only triumph when good men do nothing. A dishonorable discharge leaves a black mark on his whole life, and desertion makes him a criminal. But there are times when doing the right thing becomes more important for a man than the consequences which may follow. To do nothing is to accept culpability for everything the military stands for, for everything they do. I hope that Stan does the right thing; and what that is is entirely up to Stan.
Hale - 04 01 09 - 13:37

lol, wich brings me to my next article. I think you were reading my mind hale.
A.O.C. - 04 01 09 - 20:53

I feel for your predicament Stan. We all get stuck doing things we don’t want to do from time to time … it totally sucks. BUT ...

If you somehow can’t get out of your commitment, it’s not all bad. Indeed, I often pondered (when I was younger) joining the military, not b/c I cared for it or the United STATE of America but b/c there’s SO much you can learn inside of it.

Yes, make no mistake about it, the knowledge and skills you’ll gain will be invaluable in any future radical activities you embark on. And, w/that, I’ve said more than enough … stay strong.
GAWD - 05 01 09 - 12:08

I’m sorry for the situation you are in Stan, I imagine it to be one of the most terrible decisions that someone could make. To free yourself from the hand of the corrupt government but be penalised for it for probably the rest of your life or continue and have amazing looking CV, refrences etc but be aiding the system that you despise.

This is all down to the US government absorbed by ‘Patriotism’ believing that ‘their’ country is superior and because of that they must impose their ‘superior’ influence onto countries that don’t want it. As Hale said “evil can only triumph when good men do nothing” as long as people don’t act or are still brainwashed by patriotism, and the belief that democracy is the ultimate form of government, wars like this will continue. People like Stan who joined under the illusion that the army stood for what they believed in will instead find that it wasn’t their idea they were giving their life for, but rather aiding in it’s destruction along with feeding the thought of patriotism in people’s minds.

This was my first post so sorry if it isn’t too good :P
Magnus - 05 01 09 - 15:13

You did just fine magnus and welcome.

A.O.C.
A.O.C. - 05 01 09 - 15:29

Ok, I gotta complament Stan for realising these things on his own. I must also scold him for overlooking an advantage for our cause in his hands. He is with the US military, and as a result controlls a pipeline a large populas of trained people with guns corrupted by the system. 2 + 2 = 4. Stan, try recruting your coworkers onto ower side. Just do it, and the advantage of a well equipted armed force flips sides. Done, thank you, let’s go.

-Comrad Canuck
C.C - 05 01 09 - 18:31

I reealised some time after my original post above that the intent I helt when making that stament could imply that I mean to have an armed force attack the states during an uprising. The reality I wanted to conve is the posibility of simutaniusly removing one gun from the equation whil shifting one person two our side. That should be goal of Stan now that he has woken up. Apologies for any misunderstandings.

-Comrad Canuk
C.C - 07 01 09 - 15:09

I can honestly feel for you my freind, i am going through stages like that in my school (in england) where they are trying to brainwash us into following the beaten track that got us here in the first place! Personally though I belive in the saying-
Belive what is true do what is right

If you are honestly not happy you owe it to yourself to do the right thing, i find it kindof funny that you are fighting someone elses war for reasons you dont know against people who have never done anything to you or your family, I also find it funny about how america was against nazism during the war but patriotism is looking to me to be exactly the same as white supiriority!
Thank You for letting me voice my opinions on this site.
And thank you Stan for speaking out against this over done patriarchy that is destroying the world as we know it, the more people we can get to speak out the quicke we get an anarchistic society!

Brother Regan
Brother Regan () - 13 01 09 - 15:12

You joined for all of the right reasons, and you are a brave man. I agree with others in saying you have great stregnth by hearing and doing what you are told by the gov. And if you still beleive your anarchist ways and how you want to live you are amung the strongest. I wish you luck over seas and anything you may see or face but i think this will make you strong. Always do what you think is right! Fist up with pride!
freedomdosntexhisthere () (URL) - 14 01 09 - 14:42

you can probably do more from the inside my friend
freedumb () - 09 04 09 - 12:25