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jon () - 29 09 08 - 08:29

I resent that. I live in urban america, and i produce my own food. I mean, when I make easy mac, I have to add the cheese, and put the water in the bowl before heating the pasta. Jk

That was a joke by the way, in case you couldn’t understand my lame concept of sarcasm. But, I must say that some people cannot support themselves while making food as jon said above. To elaborate, a couple with 3 kids who live in NYC, with a father on Wall Street and a mother as a secretary and housewife (I know its soo stereotypical, but i’m just trying to make a point), they cannot produce food with their occupations and schedules, and so they must rely on supermarkets. In addition, farmers must sell their food to the supermarkets in order to make a living, and without it, they would have less money to support their jobs and buy seeds and animals for the next season, and keep some extra to pay of financial debt which they used as loans to buy land and crops and animals.

In this way, the system we have right now seems beneficial, although farmers really should receive more profit as opposed to stop & shop, as they do all the backbreaking work. Hope I helped you if you needed help…Yeah
kevin () - 29 09 08 - 18:28

Plain and simple their are too many people crammed together into poverty stricken cities. We should not have to rely on an agricultural system that leads to its own end by raping the land. Their are so many negative consequences to corporate farming that their are whole articles based on each aspect, with full scale movements protesting each one.
Oktane () - 30 09 08 - 20:20

Yo Oktane,
I’d like to read some of these articles against “corporate farming”. Would you care to enlighten me?

So what do you suggest we do with these excessive people in poor cities, huh? Make them all farmers? And besides, what would we do with the land if there was no farming, make a fucking huge national park, or build more houses people wont buy or need? Look, besides, corn is the center of our agricultural market, and it’s in everything you eat. We cannot just stop making it just because people like you think we should take an extra year of school to learn to grow lentils in our fucking backyards because we want to “save our environment”, and you know that doing this would do no fucking shit for our environment, if anything, kill it faster.

Apart from that, I really don’t think that you are an avid urban farmer, so why do you give a shit? You probably go home and eat chicken and lettuce and lentils and shit from shop fucking rite, and you know what? By doing that you are being a hypocrite and buying food from the corporate farmers, so look whose talking. You know you couldn’t live without this food, so don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. I’d really like to see you milking a cow in your backyard, and pasteurizing it and all that good shit.

And so what do you suggest we do, all become farmers? Yeah, these hundreds of thousands of people all move out of cities and rape the land of nutrients quicker and in more bulk. There are soo many flaws in that. Great fucking idea Sherlock. I’m not putting down your idea, it just has multiple flaws, and I would like to hear the other side of this Food Emporium rebellion
[kevin] () - 01 10 08 - 17:12

1. "I’d like to read some of these articles against corporate farming.”
No you wouldn’t but here they are:
eco-action.org/dod/no7/40-53.html
primitivism.com/sedentism.htm
primalseeds.org/agricult.htm
primitivism.com/society-state.htm

2. "So what do you suggest we do with these excessive people in poor cities, huh?"
I am not suggesting anything regarding a solution to the poverty stricken masses held within our major cities. Simply stating it is a growing problem and results from flaws within our economy that directly effects a citizen’s self sufficency (or lack of it). Our economy is a bloated mass of credit and debt that cannot actually support the current size of the population.

3. " Look, besides, corn is the center of our agricultural market, and it’s in everything you eat."
You are correct in stating that agriculture is a major factor in American production. However this does not justify the use of harmful chemicals: growth hormones, steroids, over fertilization that will cause a greater harm in the long run. Corporations seeking to post a profit will use any means nessacry no matter how harmful they are. I am not calling for a stop to mass farming as it is vital to "feed" such a large population, just alternative methods (or more natural/healthy).

4. "you think we should take an extra year of school to learn to grow lentils in our fucking backyards "
A population full of individuals trying to grow their own food constantly would never survive. It is too time consuming and would stagnant any development in other fields. I would like to see more natural methods used to produce crops instead of genetic alterations, etc…

5. "I’d really like to see you milking a cow in your backyard, and pasteurizing it and all that good shit."
I have spent most of my life around farms and nature: hunting, camping, fishing and cooking my own food. I make it a personal goal to consume as little corporate made goods as possible. In order to overcome the government you must look at the source, what really controls it. Just take a look at the "bail out" being proposed, if the officials who benefit from its passing are the ones voting for it somethings wrong…

A couple points of my own, spattering your statements with "shit" and "fuck" do not make your point sound any more intelligent (I love to cuss, but save it for the good stuff). I also don’t care about the enviroment in a "save our environment” sort of way. I hate hippies but I hate the government/corporations even more and don’t want them controlling every aspect of my life.

Smash the State!
Oktane () - 02 10 08 - 16:58

Ok, first of all, do you think I really think that obsessively cursing makes me sounds smarter? I sure as hell don’t, just to put that out. I mean, when you go to like an ivy league like Yale, the professors and what not are running around cursing their asses off. It’s really just a habit. Plain and simple: I fucking love to curse. It is not meant in any way to put you down or make me feel like Steven Hawking, but it is a bad habit, which I cannot refrain from. It sucks really, to impulsively use it in daily language…

Anyway, I am enthralled to read the articles which you gave me, because despite my initial response, I am a quite open-minded chap, because after all, I’m an anarchist too. Furthermore, I enjoy assessing arguments from both sides, so that I can make my conclusion, and I would actually like to give you my opinion after reading these articles, so thanks for leaving you email address.

I agree on the first point you made about the cities, as I happen to live in NYC, and from there you really get a picture of how big and uncontrollable our population really is. I thought that you intended to move these somewhere, but I suppose you were just commenting on their size. Second, the problem with steroids is a major one, and I recently learned that had we not cleared the wetlands in New Orleans, we would have no need for hormones, as the soil naturally replenishes, and (funfact) Hurricane Katrina’s damage wouldn’t have been so bad because the wetlands would have served as a buffer. Once again, I thought that you were directed on lessening the amount of crops we produce, but I suppose it was misinterpreted.

Third, natural productions of food are ideal, but not realistic at this point. The demand for food suggests that we make it now, big, and a hell-of-a lot of it. If we just randomly stopped using steroids, there might be a huge food shortage, and thats all we need now to add to the crisis we’re in. Besides, I would actually like to grow lentils in my backyard because they’re pretty good.

Fourth, did you really spend so much time in nature? I would really love to do that, because all it is here is urban shit and loaded cities, poverty, rebellion, and a huge reliance on technology and money. I can’t do anything but embrace the corporate lifestyle, at least for the moment. The bail out plan really doesn’t contain anything that might affect the average american. I mean, that, i think, is why the House never passed the first draft of it. I mean, noone cared when Main Street fell, but everyone runs to save Wall Street. What hypocrisy.

Last, I fucking hate hippies. I can’t help it, they just are the strangest people I have ever met. But, government and corporations are right up there on my hate list. The bail out plan only gives the government more regulation over our economy, and that’s not what we fucking need. Peace man, the unionization of anarchists are even more vital in a time like this, when everything is not going the right way.

Inseperate=Equal
[kevin] () - 02 10 08 - 19:03

Heres some stuff that might interest you on the bail out:
1. “Senators attached a provision repealing a 39-cent excise tax on wooden arrows designed for children to an historic $700 billion financial-markets rescue”
Article – news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/10/02/the-wooden-arrow-bailout/?icid=100214839×1210395097×1200615072

2. “Extension of economic development credit to American Samoa (p. 279)
Rum excise tax to Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands (p. 279)
Motorsports racing track facility (p. 290)
Wool modifications (p. 295)
Children and wooden arrows (p. 300)
The list goes on and on . . .
It also includes plenty of unfunded mandates.
Indeed, it seems like pork barrel politics as usual in Washington.”
Article – georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/10/congress-fiddles-while-rome-burns.html

3. Heres the link to the actual bill:
http://banking.senate.gov/public/_files/..

Use the page numbers from the second article to find the pork barrel spending.
Fuck the Government.
Oktane () - 03 10 08 - 04:51

Oh, also check out this movie(documentary) if you haven’t already.
The Corporation – http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/corpora..
Official Site – http://www.thecorporation.com/
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