but what about the mentally insane who cant function in a society that anarchist creates…..they dont understand…and not everybody is going to go for anarchy so is it not as stupid as religion…dont they both speak of impossibilities – zach decker
zach () - 15 05 08 - 17:45

Yeah, what about the people that are murderers, without a government, how would they be punished?
Austin - 18 05 08 - 23:10

in a collective society every individuals will decide what is and isnt ok. Were someone to resort to murder then it would be my right as an individual to shun him. If I owned a store i could refuse him my product, if I ran a gas station I could refuse him gas so on….. the point is that nothing holds me back from doing anything (including murder) to him. No one said that we can’t punish people.
Rick - 19 05 08 - 20:11

Will the next video posted on this site point out the flaws of facism?
Observer - 19 05 08 - 21:00

“but what about the mentally insane who cant function in a society that anarchist creates”

Zach, I can picture more easily mentally insane people who can’t understand the junglish rule of capitalism =S What makes you think “mentally insane” could not live freely?????

And Rich, oh yes, that’s a good explanation.. I disagree with institucionalized punishment but I don’t agree with forbidding punishment – and that’s about not applying ‘control over one’s life’ to everybody. And, as Nietzsche once wonderfully said, punishment does not make anybody better… Not even – and maybe mainly – the punisher…
Rev. Peterson Cekemp () (URL) - 21 05 08 - 18:13

A new statement is what if got.Democracy is corruption because think of this.Mexicans send billions of dollars to mexico and all other illegals 2 their home countries.billions of dollars that dont get recirculated into american society!And another thing a preacher (Obamma’s) was attacked by political members of our society.Im not a religous man but what the fuck is up with that?He’s a preacher!!!He may vote but hes using his rights.But that dont mean u can attack a man of God.(if you guyz want to replie send me an email ill check it when i can)peace out for now!
Kaleb () - 26 05 08 - 11:24

is this a joke or are we for real its time to revolt fuck hesatation
Nathan Micheal Britt () (URL) - 30 05 08 - 11:30

There’s actually a big lie behind the so-called democracy… Those who have the power try to make us believe that this is the only way to live freely. But, is that real freedom? You don’t have freedom if you don’t have money, you don’t have money if you don’t have power… So, where’s the people in that twisted system? I don’t really understand it… what part should we play in this democracy? We need to release ourselves and others and realize that the only way to live free is to abolish state, and every kind of opression…

Peace.
spaulding () (URL) - 04 06 08 - 18:08

Get a fucking JOB you filthy fucking losers. You are all stupid. You whine about democracy and power and money only because you are too fucked up in the head to understand it. Just go jump off a fucking bridge.
Nunya Bidness - 05 06 08 - 07:56

Are you really that stupid Nunya? What does having a job have to do with any purpose of Anarchy? I hate you dumbfucks so much, sometimes, the youth these days are just horrible, i hope im not around when they grow up and take control.
STFU - 06 06 08 - 13:11

I have a question to ask, to all of you Well intelligent Anarchists. If someone killed another, and you refuse him gods, how is that going ti help any? he can destroy a neighborhood and just steal it, or kill the owner of the buisness that refuses him goods.

Also, i agree demcracry is corrupt, but isn’t the ending stage of Communism and Anarchy the same thing practically?

No big corporations? were we get the goods for what we need than?

Thank you for your help!!
EXCUSEME - 07 06 08 - 12:39

I would like to state that there are now TWO users named Kaleb on here now, so if you would kindly verify the users i.d. before you comment on their posts, it would be greatly appreciated. If the other user decides to use my name and e-mail, ( They seem nice enough not to.) watch the grammar and spelling in the post. It should be a obvious. Not to offend those people who don’t speak like a english teacher on the net. Really, it’s an informal place, so proper language isn’t required.
Also, I disagree with democracy being oppression. This is an “absolute” statement. However, there are situations where this statement could be false. Democracy only oppresses the minority.
Here’s a fact. America isn’t a democracy. We don’t vote for our leader. The Electoral College does. Our government regulates our business and trade in favor of the corporation that gives it the most money. Our government has taken away our rights to speak against it before (See the Sedition Act). Our phones are tapped (See the Patriot Act). Our homes can be searched without warrant (See the nationwide warrant issued by the Supreme Court after the Patriot Act’s passage.) People have been killed for their beliefs (See the Sacco-Vanzetti case.) People have had their homes stoled by the governement (See Eminent Domain). People have been enslaved (See U.S. years before 1850) Japanese-Amaricans have been forced to enter concentration camps (See WWII history). Is this a nation where the people are free?
Kaleb () - 09 06 08 - 15:09

Someone won’t kill another in anarchy, at least not for no rhyme or reason. Killing is “archy”.
If the person is clinically insane, they can be treated by professionals and restrained until they are safe to society again.
In anarchy, however, cases of insanity are likely to become less frequent rather than more.

You are right that the ending stage of communism is anarchy, but only in the same way heaven is the ending stage of Christianity (it never fucking happens).

We will get goods directly from producers and cooperatives, and in many cases we will make our own goods.
BulimicMind - 09 06 08 - 19:49

we need to stop talking and do something maybe even a revolt and wipe out democracy altogether
jon () - 11 06 08 - 06:58

we need to unite and fight against the goverment we have to rise up stop plotting and talking rise up revolt and destroy democracy
anarchists unite - 11 06 08 - 09:09

Everyone on this website (excluding the people coming here to rag on anarchism) want a national anarchism movement on the US government. Even me. Here’s the problem, this website, right? its only here because of the government and big business. Without the kind of infrastructure developed by the two oppressors none of this would even exist. Not that that would keep me from revolting but it is kind of hypocritical. Bite the hand that feeds us (then beats us 5 minutes later). If we were to revolt it would not last long. We would be crushed. Why? We have let the government get too powerful, and if by some far fetched reason we did succeed, what is stopping China, Russia, and all the other super powers from helping our government get reestablished or even stake a claim on US soil. Everyone wants to see America fall, but it is just not possible at this time. With that being said the future look hopeful for anarchists. Look at how our country and all the other countries deal with each other. they are a bunch of freakin’ 4 year olds with nukes and WAY too much firepower. Its only a matter of time before another country does the dirty work for us. China, Russia, Iran, whatever someone is going to start a global war in the next 50 years and make it VERY easy for the anarchist to finally bring the Human Race to its full potential, (after it is reduced to a more manageable size). TRUE FREEDOM FOR ALL. We just need the oil to run out and we are a go for operation FUCK THE GOVERNMENT IN THE ASS!!!!
Eric LeSeur () - 17 06 08 - 21:15

What you gotta understand is that there is no perfect way to live. With government or without there will always be problems. You just have to look at what you would rather have. Personally I think our government is to controlling. Government corrupts more than it creates peace. Without government we would have no war. Government declares war and sends troops. Without it no war. I want peace. We can only get there if we have no authority.
Trevor () - 26 06 08 - 12:54

well everyone knows that if we ever fought the gov. that we would lose u all no that i mean im not for the government or nothing but how would u get peace in this GOD DAM WORLD ?!?!?
marilyn_manson23 - 30 06 08 - 11:29

What the… this is just plain screwed up. They actually edited out a politician in the news coverage just because he wasn’t super-awesome!? REVOLT! REVOOOOOLLLTT! >8O
PerianArdocyl () - 01 07 08 - 20:09

Oh, and I agree with everyone so far that has commented on our anarcho-laziness! We need to get on our feet and DO something already. Or at least ‘be the change you wish to see in the world’. That in and of itself would make more of a difference than what we’re doing now, which is almost nothing.
PerianArdocyl () - 01 07 08 - 21:07

Your missing the point ENTIRELY, “their won’t be a reason to kill” “their wont be a reason to steal” That’s not going to make someone not do it. I want this guys xbox, no cops, no rules, ill just go steal it in the night.

Some people kill because of Racism such as Fascists and Nazi’s, “won’t be a reason to kill” will not deminish this fact at all.

Speeding would be insane also, teens driving at freaking 100 miles an hour in a city. (Saying you wouldn’t do that does not prove anything)

It doesn’t work, Anarchy = Chaos whether Anarchists admit it or not.
NotGunnaHappen - 01 07 08 - 22:47

In an anarchy, problems are dealt with. With a compromise among the people involved. If someone killed a shop owner for not giving them what theey want, wouldn’t most people think that that’s wrong? So the murderer would be punished
Jim () - 08 07 08 - 04:25

THe flaws of anarchy, severly overshadow any sherd of constructiveness that this so-called new age free will has to offer… Anarchy is exactly what its definetion states. There is no “PROPER” form or any other… anarchy. People do not have and will never be the perfect beings necessary to have a form of government where there is none at all. The week will always be exploited by the powerful… except this time…there is no one to assist the weak… may i turn you to literature; though fictional Lord of the Flies and Blindness should be read by all… I dont care how you “SPIN” anarchy… a humans primal nature is self preservation… where does that leave those lesser in strength??? Where does it leave you when i have a gun and you do not… and no government or people to save you… especially if weapons facilities were taken by force… youre anarchy would forever imprison us in violence and fear…

what a great place to live… anarchy where fear and brutality regin over ua all
Elitest - 11 07 08 - 10:37

Anarchy is great philosophy, but this civilisation is still too immature for making great ideas to work in practice. The same problem is with democracy, communism or whatever. People are still too greedy, too selfish, too egoistic to see how their acts influence other people. Great book that explains how true anarchy should work is Aldous Huxley’s – The Island. Oh, and I apologise for my english. I think you’ll understand whatever I want to say. :)
[mr.evilmind] () - 11 07 08 - 17:44

I agree that we should be the change we want to see in the world. NotGunnaHappen, you say you want it, but can’t have it because there are rules and cops. The rise of anarchy will only come from breaking the rules. The government monitors and modifies what the media puts out there to keep the public in a perpetual cycle of fear of what would happen if there was no government and what would happen to those who try to go against the government. People talk about all the shit they don’t like about what’s going on in the world, but nobody fuckin does anything. People need to start acting upon what they believe. There are many that would join if someone would start it right. If a superpower goes down due to anarchy, the others will be soon to follow from the cycle of fear induced by the government controlled media will be broken and a chain reaction will start. There are many small groups out there that are useless alone, but when united together will be able to produce changes that are only what we all picture anarchy to be like. There are different types of anarchists with slightly different views which can all be talked about and negotiated once the common main objective is completed. Everyone wants the government taken out and it is possible. People need to get out of the mentality “I want to….but I can’t” because yes, alone you can’t. In a group, you can.If united, it will happen.
always_planning () - 11 07 08 - 18:16

Dear Sisters and Brothers around the World means Dear Anarchists both female and male around the World!

Whether living in Germany, U.S.A., Kongo, Japan or wherever else – real Anarchists are Sisters and Brothers worldwide, we don´t know another measure for human beings than only one: Righteous and reasonable, then she or he is an Anarchist, or if not, then we must make her or him to be an Anarchist. That is the natural measure, it doesn´t matter which colour, whether little or large, whether a good mathematician or not, wheter aestehtically looking or not, whether young or old and so on.

Every other measure than ours makes us frustrated and ill, every single person as the whole society, too.

The only natural measure of evaluating persons is according to the fact that we all are living on the same planet, and whatever You do, whatever I do, it will give an effect to all of us and to the whole world. We all are sitting in he same boat, from the South Pole to the North Pole, from Japan to Los Angeles using the way westwards.

So I want to speak to You as Sisters and Brothers, whatever Your colour and nationality should be, everone of You standing eye to eye to me,on the same level. Introducing myself there is one word to say: I am a proud German Anarchist. Not proud to be a German, there is no reason to be proud to be a German, and I cannot remember having anything done to get a German, cannot remember a situation having been asked: “Do You want to be born as a German, or would You prefer to be born as an Indian or whatever else?” I am only proud to be an Anarchist, and that it is my decision to fight for real justice and real reason. So in the sum I am a proud German, because I am an Anarchist who is a German by coincidence.

So You should not say: “He is a German!” You should see me as an Anarchist only.

In Germany the Ghost of Anarchy has made progresses in the last years, and I am proud to be one of us who have worked for that. And the situation is, that we would like to tell You about the progresses of Anarchy in Germany, to get Your critics and to let You know for Your and our all use.

We Anarchists of Germany are decided to make the World anarchic and to rescue mankind from otherwise unavoidable destruction. Not alone, but in community with all other human beings, step by step making all people to our sisters and brothers. First we would like to win You for going that way with us, and so I, as a speaker of German Anarchists in Austria as in FRG would like to talk to You, to tell You, what our Ideas are, to get Your critics and to explain why we think taht there are two things necessary for our all sake: We must bundle our resources and fight together, and, there are really good reasons to do so, we should fight for Anarchy in Germany first, and then roll up the world by giving an
example that makes Anarchy irresistible to all other nations.

Up to now I have written only some words in English, You see, my English is not the best, but I am not fighting for Anarchy to be ashamed because of my deficiencies for the rest of my life. I think You will understand my words and only that should matter.

So I beg You by the name of German Anarchists to read my words and to spread this messages as good as You can, so that I can explain our goals and our plans and our strategy to You, hoping You will fight and win with for the sake of the whole World!

The adresses I will write to You in English (öhm… let´s say in a louzy English…) are
first:

http://freegermany.forumandco.com/to-all..

http://winfriedSobottka.npage.de

(there You have to look at the navigation, I will found a special site with the Name “To our Sisters and Brothers in the world”

Using:

http://freegermany.forumandco.com/

You will see an entry beginning with “The SS is still alive…” that can give You a first impression of our problems in Austria and FRG.

Please, give the best to spread this messages, and those of you who gets registration will be able to answer to my words to You under freegermany.forumandco.com.

Your all

Winfried Sobottka

PS.: Those of You being able to read German language will find more – I was forced to use US-registered Domains because of worst political pression in Germany!
Winfried Sobottka () (URL) - 28 07 08 - 15:22

To address the comment(s) made about lawlessness and the resultant "crime" thereof in an anarchic society perhaps it has not been considered that most "criminal behavior" stems from the stress caused by the industrial society in which we live in today. Consumerism has created an artificial need for material items that have no real value, except to serve as surrogate activities that attempt unsuccessfully to quell the unappeased human drive to go through the "Power Process." So when industrial society finally reaches the inevitable point of collapse, and the population has been significantly reduced, those smart enough to disband the rubble of our previous civilization will group in small, self-sufficient communities where the individual can autonomously preserve and prolong his life, hence fulfilling the "Power Process." An excess of useless, material items would make no sense to the satisfied individual and in that sort of setting "crime" would be rendered obsolete.

Most of what is entailed above has been regurgitated from the highly-reasoned, seemingly infallible manifesto "Industrial Society and its Future." It will answer this issue and many other similar issues in a much better fashion than I tried to. I strongly encourage you to check out: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Industrial..
Concerned_Anarchist - 11 08 08 - 10:37

theyr no need to uprise all we need to do is wait and be ready cause we the ones who are ready will be the once that survive over all! the goverment it self is corrupted and will destroy itself
protected () - 17 08 08 - 16:37

Dear Sisters and Brothers! I am very sorry that I cannot read all Your entries because of very short time: The State of FRG is breaking every law and absolutely decided to put me into psychiatrie for the rest of my life because I have encovered murder and abuse of DNA-proof for false sentencing because of murder by German State. Police of Hagen near Dortmund and Landeskriminalamt Nordrhein-Westaflen are directly involved, Justice of Hagen, too. There is no doubt that this things have happened with the agreement of the Ministeries of Justice and of Interior both in Düsseldorf as in Berlin, the German President, Köhler, is informed as well as Chancellors Angela Merkel and many others, but obviously they don´t want to react in a right way.

If You look under Google or Yahoo using the following words You will see that my direct enemies get pression by a strong Internet Force of Anarchists, I am sure not only out of Germany, so I want to thank all those who give us support in this fight!

Look under, for instance:

Richter Helmut Hackmann

OSTA Petra Hermes

Staatsanwalt Volker Bittner

Rechtsanwältin Henriette Lyndian

Dr. med. Bernd Roggenwallner

and You will see that we are fighting in Germany, but for the sake of the whole World: Anarchy must win only in one important country, then she will win evereywhere in nearest future, cause it is the only really good system!

Please have a look to my words about the base of Anarchy beeing in agreement with alle Anarchists in Austria as in Germany under:

http://www.freegermany.de/english/englis..

Please give us support, please spread the informations about the reality of Germany, please have a look to my words in English, only together we can win, but together we will do so!

I love You, and all German Anarchists do that, too!

Dipl.-Kfm. Winfried Sobottka, Karl-Haarmann-Str. 75, 44536 Lünen, FR-Germany, a speaker of the most wonderful people in Austria as in FR-Germany, of the Anarchists!
Winfried Sobottka () (URL) - 18 08 08 - 04:01

In my opinion, sorry if i repeat somebody else’s opinions as i only read half of the comments that matter….
First…Anarchy is a rule of common morale of the people..therefore if a person murdered another, there would be an autonomous decision on his punishment…the people would decide.
And as far as democracy, it really has no impact on our government as it is run by a higher covert Echelon. The movers and the shakers of what really goes on behind the curtains. Republic, Democracy…all ran by the same. They have their aim, and they’re going to try to make it happen no matter who suffers or dies.
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