So what are you saying? Kill Babies or stop having sex?
Jim - 07 05 08 - 11:06

It amazes me how people who shouldn’t be having children often have the most. I agree in limiting consumption, but I think we should wait for same areas of the world to consume themselves. It’s the true silent warfare. U.S. aid to Africa pisses me off.
Kaleb () - 07 05 08 - 11:43

this kinda contradicts the statement in “Food Prices Soar, Where Did The Food Go?” that says “There’s more than enought food for everyone”, doesn’t it?
Ole Kristian - 07 05 08 - 12:29

Jim, there’s this crazy new invention called contraception. Maybe you’ve heard of it?
BulimicMind - 07 05 08 - 13:11

Holy Shit this author and Jim made an extremely valid point here and everyone is pissing all over it and doesnt get it.
Hes saying that the earth is alive and can only give to so many organisms life, that added to our constant polution due to overproduction. Some of you people are ridiculous. Why are u on an anarchist site if u cannot grasp radical philosophy?
[Emanuel Goldstein] - 07 05 08 - 14:44

They arent telling people to not have sex its just be more safe and no dont kill them. You people arent gettin the point, stop having so many children or there isnt gona be a world left for the babies. My friends think im weird for ranting to them about the environment and the government. They just dont understand, hopefully the people on this site do. And by the way stop giving this guy crap for caring about the environment. Its your home too, maybe you should help clean it up.
Cayla () - 07 05 08 - 15:23

its not overpopulation, you dont have to worry about overpopulation, that will come years and years from now, its just if you want to not be crowded then we should stop letting boarder jumpers into our country, over 2 million boarder jumpers bed down in ever country every night, and some of these people cant even speak the official language of that country
Felix - 08 05 08 - 23:55

In fairness this point is obsolete as if war and disease continue on their path of unwarranted destruction then very few people will remain and if this happens overpopulation won’t really be a problem!
Wormwood () - 09 05 08 - 10:14

i am a pacifist and do not condone any killing but i would say that we have too many people. modern medicine, U.N. Aid, and other modern convience has eliminated ‘survival of the fittest’ what we need is to not end globalization but let each country fend for it self. We are making matters worse by providing aid to regions that in the past would have been destroyed by the situation. there is a reason that empires fell, why do we feel the need to prop them up? let them fall, i know we will
Rick - 10 05 08 - 22:06

Well we can’t just kill the babies, as that would be quite terrifying for the people that have morals (Not saying anarchists would kill babies or don’t have morals or anything) Most people won’t stop having sex either. This makes the problem very difficult to solve. I have been against breeding for a while now and until we get the population under control i will not have children. It might come to the sad reality that we are going to run out of resources and fuck up our mother earth really bad faster than we think.In fact, we’ve fucked up mtoher earth pretty bad already.
Dakota () - 11 05 08 - 15:02

Like I said, contraception.
BulimicMind - 12 05 08 - 20:25

I think that Rick made a very good point. If it were not for medicine keeping people alive that should have died a long time ago than the world wouldn’t be so overcrowded! A perculiar thought struck me the other day, the concept of “Darwin’s Law” (survival of the fittest) has been abolished by it’s own principles! It hasn’t got a firm place in today’s world of medicines that keep the old, weak and ill alive!
Wormwood () - 13 05 08 - 12:49

A new revelation has struck me. Human beings are not mammals. Mammals reach a natural equilibrium with their surroundings, they contribute to the enviroment. Humans move and sett;e into one place, there they multiply and breed until every natural resource in the surrounding area is exhausted. There is only one other orginisms on the planet that act in this manner… Human beings are a virus
Wormwood () - 14 05 08 - 06:27

Use Condoms so you can still feel the pleaure! :D Oh and I really Respect wormwood for copying that entire speech off of a movie.
Jim - 14 05 08 - 09:52

Rick, your thinking is valid, yet you leave out people who believe that it is right to save those people. Some anarchists, or others, may think it right or necessary to save people if they are able to. If we don’t, We would have contributed to their death by not helping them when we could have, and every anarchist knows that nobody deserves to die, because our indirect murder of those people infringe on their right to live. Freedom, especially to live, is of paramount importance in anarchy; it is what anarchy stands for.
kevin - 14 05 08 - 14:50

the people who continue to populat this planet are only causing more problems, and i think man needs a natural predator, aside from our selves
anthony () - 15 05 08 - 06:11

Was that off a movie? I thought I recognised it from somewhere!
Wormwood () - 15 05 08 - 11:11

It dawns on me that a lot of you people vy for freedom from destruction and the government, laws etc… But a lot of you also choose to have names that are inherently dark or destructive in their original nature. Such as “Wormwood”, this is a star that fell from heaven and poisoned the waters of man killing those foolish enough to drink from the rivers. There is also “Shadow”, a name that instantly makes people think of the dark and usually unwanted. There is also mention of “Blasphemer”. I hasten to add that it is all well and good skulking around on a website letting your beliefs be known to each other, but if you people really, and I mean really, want to change the world, then you will try to and stop talking about it.
Belphagor - 17 05 08 - 02:30

kevin, I agree with your point (besides the fact that you use the word ‘anarchy’ almost 5 times haha) and it is a conundrum. I think that no one deserves death but if we all live then how will the world?
Rick - 17 05 08 - 23:24

Well Rick, we will be all wiped out. Every 3 seconds, a child in Africa dies of Aids. Disease w/o cure is a major killer. However, in the environment we live in, not many people die, and we only base our opinions on these people, not children in Africa. Apart from that, changing weather climates due to not global warming, but another more logical theory, causes weather effects to become increasingly powerful. Remember the tsunami a couple years ago? Not to mention the awakening of powerful dormant volcanoes. Or the aliens that crazy drunks and stoners in New Mexico "see" that will destroy the earth? If any thing happens in outer space, we will all die anyway because of some crazy stuff.
Have you every watched the National Geographic specials? At the end of every one, they talk about how something or other will destroy the earth. You know, it may not happen today, or tomorrow, maybe not next week, or year. Heck, maybe not in this decade or millennium. Who knows, maybe it was yesterday.
Ponder that while I return to writing a pointless history essay about how nuclear warfare could have broken out w/o human control over the button.
kevin () - 18 05 08 - 10:52

There are far to many people reproducing with no regard to consequence. At what point do you curtail the right to reproduce in favor of global sustainability. I think that point must come soon or we will face a period of famine and disease related population correction. Perhaps that is just the natural way of things, inevitable and necessary. Some conspiracy theorists believe that the globalist elite are planning just such a de-population. Wouldn’t it be nice if we collectively saw the writing on the wall, and voluntarily limited reproduction. With all the information resources available it’s amazing how little really important facts are circulated.
Verum () - 22 05 08 - 00:46

The problem is not overpopulation, it is over consumption. Many people are starving, while the uber-rich are throwing parties where they through away hundreds of pounds of food every night. A small percentage of the worlds population throws away a high percentage of our planets resources. If we had a true anarchist society this would not be the case.
Daniel - 01 06 08 - 11:12

WHAT he is saying is, we messed up. so how bout this, we could kill a couple bilion and contradict the belief in “live and let live” or, we can stop using fossil fuels and destroying animals and forests, do away with our chemicals and government dependencies. let us plant a couple of trees and eat what straight grows out of the earth. but killing some capiltalists tyrants and their followers would not be a bad start. only problem is, who is really gonna do it, and who is gonna sit on their ass and just complain? :D COME ON PEOPLE. WE NEED ANOTHER OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING!! EXCEPT EVERYWHERE THIS TIME!!!!
jizzo () - 04 06 08 - 13:23

it will all work itself in due course, but it won’t be pretty.
threenamer - 08 06 08 - 18:25

to everyone who is saying there is no such thing as natural selection…your wrong. eventually humans wont exist because of the way they kill eachother.
er () - 11 06 08 - 12:47

I’ve been saying FOR YEARS that over-pop by humans is the root of all social ills—from famine to pollution to crime and war. Too many humans fighting for too few resources.

We claim to be so smart. I guess unless we start to voluntarily limit breeding, China won’t be the only country with mandatory limits of 1 child.
Geri - 13 06 08 - 06:48

Gaea’s carrying capacity is 500 million humans; we are an abundance of cancerous cells that repeatedly multiply and consume for the simple act of growth, egoism, and narcissism. “Growth for the sake of growth is the idiom of the cancer cell” —Edward Abbey. “To feed a starving child is to exacerbate the human population crisis”.
Cities must be dismantled; breeding must CEASE for a time; and, people must learn to realize that we are part of nature rather than something above it, believing it is ours to devour and control.
To Daniel, a few lines up: this is the thought process that is damning us to death. The food we are consuming and tossing to the dumpsters is food to sustain species other than our own; humanity is not the only species relying on this planet for survival. The “Law of Limited Competition” is this: You may compete to the full extent of your capabilities, but you may not hunt down your competitors or destroy their food or deny them access to food; which, humanity has conceded to this arbitrary, self-fulfilling act for centuries.
Food prices should start to reflect the harm done to the environment; and, in that case, we would probably be paying $60 for a pepper, and, an even higher amount for meat: about $500 per pound.
hunting and gathering; lets go back to that; back to a relationship with the food on our plates; although, either way, starvation, war, and food riots will stave off at least 3/4 of the human population, if not a larger percentage. Gaea can fight cancers in a way we can’t…naturally; without the synthetic, life-destroying levels of toxicity.
It is already too late for us. Goodbye to the majority of humanity; Gaea (Mother Earth) is fuggin pissed.
Gaia - 13 06 08 - 16:34

Okay, let’s look at this critically for a second.

Take out toxic emissions such as fossil fuel and you potentially eliminate our damage to the physical environment, so scratch that point if you remove consumerism.

Raising 1 cow 1 year (full-grown) takes the same amount of food to feed 400 people. We have the knowledge and technology to make vegetarianism healthy. Get rid of meat and you end world hunger.

But you only end world hunger after you destroy democracy and capitalism. Current governments, in preserving themselves and the other major systems of the world, have taken to actually producing scarcity. Aid was denied an African country because if they gave them food, prices would go up (via capitalism) and food would become unaffordable, ruining the economy. Capitalists would rather let people starve to death than risk losing a buck!!! World hunger is a lie, and scarcity moreso!

How is scarcity a lie? Look at the nearest landfill. We waste far more than we could ever consume, be it in food or inanimate objects. Good food goes into trash compactors making it unsalvageable and ruining things for homeless or impoverished dumpster divers. As a recent poster outlines, “There’s enough for everybody, but they would rather throw it away than give it to you.”
[Le Reveur] () - 22 06 08 - 02:48

to comment on Ole Kristian’s statement
i partly agree with daniel
its not that we have too much or too little food
it is simply poorly distributed among few
and forgetting the starving masses
however how anarchy would help this issue
im not entirely sure

please enlighten me
because i am genuinley curious
no dogs body () - 02 07 08 - 09:55

No, there is NOT enough food for everyone. We should be relying on local foods, rather than transporting food, and if we did that…every city would starve to death. So, NO, there is NOT enough food for everyone. Also, GMO is NOT food. It’s some genetically altered SHIT being distributed to go along with the pesticidally saturated "vegetables" and "fruits". If we have to genetically grow food; obviously, there is a food problem. And, does anyone remember that humanity is just one species in a very complex system of organisms on this planet?
Fuck the starving masses! Think "tribally". Your clique is your tribe; those around you are the ones you need to worry about keeping alive. People outside of this domain DO NOT matter. Starvation happens for a reason: to keep the population under control. The more people we feed, the more kids are born, and we already use 1/3 of the planet for human consumption. Obviously, this is not working too well.
1) It’s called survival of the fittest. There is more competition INTRAspecies than INTERspecies because we are all competing for the same resources. The more we feed others, the less food we will potentially have. I feed those I care about when they’re hungry. I feed those who impact ME; those I can SEE and touch and converse with, which happens to be a very select few inside of my own community.
2) Get out of this WORLD PEACE mode. It won’t happen. The food crisis is about to grow worse, affecting us, in the western world, like it is affecting Africa. 9 billion people will not hold hands across the world and sing around a campfire while everyone is starving to death. There will be food riots, starvation, and complete wipe-out of MANY species; including US.
3) World vegetarianism is a naive thought. Meat has been a part of the human diet for longer than we have been humans. I am a vegetarian, but for cruelty purposes. I am not so idiotic as to think that we can create a vegetarian world. We are omnivores.

This is the last time I open my mouth to fucking morons about any of this. Truth and reality; I will savor them for myself and find those who know what I know. Convincing idiots of what IS will never be worth it. At least some of us will be mentally (and physically) prepared for what’s to come.
When it comes down to whether my tribe or your tribe will eat one night; or whether my CHILD or your children will eat, a bullet to your brain will be the least of my worries. It will always be tribe against tribe; clique against clique, until the population is down to a minimal level. At that time, the tribes will be spread out enough to not have to worry about each other.
For now, I care not what people do. Mother Earth is fine; it is us who are in jeopardy.

p.s. people in cities need no more than ONE child per couple. you’re not a farmer, there’s no need for more.
stop breeding after one or don’t breed at all.
Gaia - 07 07 08 - 18:10

doing what you are suggesting is stepping back from reality and is more foolish than the notion of world peace
and how are we suposed to think of the “other organisms” if we are suposed to forget others of our own species
however there is a population problem i agree but we should find a smart way to deal with it not “survival of the fittest”
because the fittest would not survive it would be the survival of the most powerful and influential and if they were the only ones they would kill eachother
what you seem to be sugesting is your own little utopian world with those you love with no regard to others
if this is the case you are already living this life as we speak congratulations
so you can forget about all of this if you are not concerned and leave it to people who do care and are trying to think of working solutions

at any rate i am so glad that you wont be commenting on this topic anymore because you obviously dont have any knowledge about it

~a fucking moron
no dogs body () - 08 07 08 - 16:12

I don’t see how people can’t understand what the person who posted this is saying…..I agree with the whole ‘ You only need one child’ thing! People these days are having so many children so they can get welfare and such, trust me, coming from where I live I’ve known this for a while!

Here’s what happens:
-They fuck
-they have babies
-they break up/ divorce
-one doesn’t pay child support
-the gov. Helps them by paying it for them

This shit is seriously starting to piss me off! If you’re gonna have a bazillion babies, then at least learn to take care of them and think out what’s going to happen before you have them! Society these days…it depresses me how many people don’t use their brains….its sad when I, A THIRTEEN YEAR OLD, know more about how to do something than the average adult where I live…...
Rachael () - 27 07 08 - 07:13

We will be the only ones to suffer from our stupidity life will continue without us, but (depending on what u believe) mother earth invested alot of energy into us and i i’d like to believe she has a soft spot in her heart for us as if we were her children, or her guardians. If u do believe that to be true have u ever asked y she let us have the mental capacity to recognise her and our affect on her? Or maybe there is no reason, since this is in the realm of what u believe it can be something left to the individual to ponder.

Sex does not equal babies ffs… grow up and learn to enjoy the sensuality of it all. More Sex, Less babies, simple. Sex as a natural pleasure, a high between consenting ppl not the thing u do to have babies. I don’t really want to get into discussion of deviate sex acts but i’d like to believe the need or desire to abuse children, rape, etc will diminish with a society where sex is for pleasure not a sacred special thing reserved for procreation, love etc thus making it innaccessible to many. And the issue of sex as a weapon; this is an issue of power (here too i have a hope) that education, and respect of yours and others power can lower this maybe eliminate it all together… *fingers crossed. No system of government or social order will ever get rid of ‘crimes of passion’, anger, revenge etc but let’s hope that the impact of them can be diminished.

Now what part of history has made u think killing ppl for a cause even as great as our own suvival has any chance of being accepted, or an enduring foundation for an anarchist society (or any society). Murder breeds murder. We just have to limit our procreation and wait it out till there is less ppl on earth that die eventually; it’s a matter of maths and time, if every person on the earth made just 1 other pesron the population would remain the same. Sooo if every 2 ppl (not that i believe in marriage or anything just an example) made 1 other the population would slowly decrease, if every 3 ppl made 1 it would decrease a little faster, and so on.

Yet who decides who has babies and who doesn’t?

Anyway many of our ancestor hunter/ foraging societies knew to not kill everything and to move on so there will be new growth when they returned; they learnt this thru making mistakes no doubt but a very valuable lesson (an example is the aboriginies of australia who did elimiinate some species and i guess from that they have the belief in not killing everything). Maybe like our forebearers if we survive our modern suicidal path we may learn to place ourselves as part of the world rather than masters of it. I’d like us to be caretakers of our most important life source, our mother. Here’s hoping =)
GentleFurie () - 27 07 08 - 07:51

The thing is, sex IS coming to a point where it is just for pleasure and fun. I think that is something that only two people who actually love each other should do.and if more people have sex, there would be more babies because, face it : people are too fucking lazy to buy contraceptors. Either that, or it doesn’t work(e.g. The condom breaks)
rachael () - 27 07 08 - 09:05

I don’t know… i have had sex abit and i’m not a parent. There is a spirituality in sex too, but i don’t think it’s a sensation exclusive to lovers. As for sex between 2 ppl only, well… that’s a little boring; don’t limit yourself to 1 experience when the world is full of possibilities. I’ve tried a few things sexually, learnt what i dont’ like and what i do. (this is not bragging just the benefit of age and experimentation.)
As for ppl being too lazy to use contraception all i can say is ‘sucked in too them’, having a kid, paying child support is much more work. So i LOL@U for thinking contraception is too much work. Rachael if you are female then the perspective does change since u r the one to carry the child, i understand; i’m hoping that men and women can become true equals, men learn to respect women for their differences, and having your freedom to choose protected. U know some guys actually care about the woman they r sleeping with even if it’s not a lifetime commitment, not most but i do and i know of others.
GentleFurie () - 27 07 08 - 13:08

Ahahaha. I am a female, and I must admit,I don’t know everything(and I don’t plan to at my age) about sex….I plan for now to keep my focus on my fucktarded studies so I can at least get a half ass job and move to the UK like I’ve always wanted.
Rachael () - 27 07 08 - 16:50

Well i got my fingers crossed for ya, good luck =) have fun too, traveling is alot of fun and a challenge worth facing.
GentleFurie () - 28 07 08 - 07:29

Why,thank you :3
The main reason is because I want to leave the U.S. And my family behind me because I despise them both…
The U.S. Part is understandable…but my family is because everybody ridicules me about how I look/act and they say that talking about anarchy can get me killed. Hmm…I could of sworn in america you could say whatever you want…guess not….just another lie!
Rachael () - 28 07 08 - 07:36

My science teacher was teaching the class about the population of deer and about how disease is a means of keeping the deer population level down, so that they may not overpopulate and eat all the leaves off of the trees. He went on to say that that also affects the amount of deer that other animals would eat and use to survive. The circle of life.
I raised my hand and asked him, "Well, we’re animals too, doesn’t that mean that disease should affect us, just the same as it would affect the deer population? I mean, if we just let people die, with no life support or drugs to take, there would be less people, and more houses for people to accomodate. Less homelessness."
He corrected me in saying that, "We are not animals, we are humans. We are the main inhabitants on Earth. We use the animals to live, and we keep order between the rules of the "circle of life" with hunting regulation and laws to abide by."
I think that is complete and utter fucking bullshit. We both have flesh and bones, have hair and can reproduce. Saying were better than animals because we can talk and walk on 2 legs, is the same as saying that black people are animals and we have the right to enslave them.
And "animals" were here on Earth, way before us. We can’t just come along and say were dominant. But, another thing to prove a point is that, we evolved from animals. My wonderful teacher taught me that. Saying that we evolved from, a fish, which is, an animal.
But, I’m just ranting on…
MCHB - 30 07 08 - 22:53

Local, small scale societies would essentially (in theory) put a halt to the rising population, due to the fact that a community cannot support more mouths to feed then there are resources to supply, and would in turn encourage these societies to moderate the size of their families. But getting everybody to agree to this would be difficult, because there are groups that believe that to use contraceptives is a form of murder, and going against gods will. You can’t force people to stop having children, but we can, with these small scale societies, sustain our own communities, and not try and help the ones that are having problems controlling their own populations.

The only problem with this is that when there are food shortages, violence will ensue, and there will be people trying to use force to get the things they need. But eventually, the communities that support population regulation will outnumber the ones that are not, and they will have no choice but to learn how to properly sustain their own community if they want to survive.

The industries that will exist will only be built around things that we need to survive, which means no more i-pods, brand name clothing, and fast food restaurants. When you get rid of over-consumption, we will be eliminating millions of jobs around the world, and people will be forced to learn trades that are based around basic survival needs, like producing food, and shelter. Things that your community needs to sustain itself. The large corporations will stop raping the earth of all of her resources, and the civilizations that they’ve destroyed around the world will return to their community-based lifestyles, instead of helping the super powers of the world rob their environments of all her natural resources.

Ecosystems will immediately start to balance itself again as it starts to regenerate the things we’ve destroyed. And I say this with full understanding of the fact that we have already gone to far, and have already destroyed ecosystems all around the world. Weather patterns are changing, and resources are becoming scarce. But in the end, the earth will prevail, and it is only the ones who learn how to live in harmony with the earth will be the communities that survive.
mudstew () - 03 08 08 - 01:53

“If you haven’t given voluntary human extinction much thought
before, the idea of a world with no people in it may seem
strange. But, if you give it a chance, I think you might agree
that the extinction of Homo sapiens would mean survival for
millions, if not billions, of Earth-dwelling species … Phasing
out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and
environmental.” —“Les U. Knight” (pseudonum), “Voluntary Human
Extinction,” Wild Earth, Vol. 1, No. 2, (Summer 1991), p. 72.
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