Finally, it’s such a bother to see these people who go around saying that they’re anarchists and giving us a bad name who are trying to set good examples. thank you for posting this article.
Ty - 17 04 08 - 09:53

Refreshing to read and absolutely correct.
BulimicMind - 17 04 08 - 10:23

I was always hestitant to call myself an anarchist because I bought into the negative connotations that accompany the term anarchy and was deterred by them. It’s nice to finally realize that my innermost feelings and beliefs appear to be the components of anarchy in its TRUEST form!
rAchel - 17 04 08 - 10:53

I hate Anarchist Posers. There is a kid at my school who is all like “WHOO HOO RIOTS AND BEER!!!!” “HEAVY METAL!!!!!”
I want to fucking kill him
Rick - 17 04 08 - 17:32

wow, this couldn’t be more true.
thanx for this reasurement that im not the anarchit poser because i don’t start fires or riots.
this shoud be a warning to anarchist posers.
brian. () - 17 04 08 - 18:29

I completely agree with what your saying, but you can be a pothead pyromaniac boozer AND an anarchist, right?
Garret - 17 04 08 - 21:03

We’re here for intelligent anarchism, not rebellious teen anarchism.
Jeff - 18 04 08 - 08:16

at the moment I’m learning about William Godwin his idealist ideals are very well thought out i must say!
brendan schmitz - 18 04 08 - 13:16

I am also here because I enjoy the thought of a well organized, mature anarchy, but believe me when I say that we will need the help of the confused, misguided, and desructive teenagers in order to reach our goal. Not an extremely large percentage of wars have been won through peace alone. (plus, if fire, marijuana, and alchohol make me feel good, why shouldnt I indulge in them?)
Garret - 18 04 08 - 22:20

It is the bomb-throwing maniacs and consumer losers who give anarchists a bad name. All real anarchists are tolerant of difference and different approaches to life because we’re all trying to do our best in the world. We all have our own ideas so let’s try out a new way to live instead of vegging out with drugs, television, and conformity.
Rick - 19 04 08 - 11:38

A lot of teens blame there rebellous acts and attitude towards anarchy even thought most don’t even know what anarchy means, which is why when you say anarchy in sociaty every looks at you and thinks stuff like killing and riots
Stephen - 20 04 08 - 20:49

If a group of anarchists ever tried to form their own society, in America at least, then the government would call it a rebellion and send the police or military to kill or “detain” you, which is just another word for almost killing you. True anarchists, who believe deeply in true freedom, would fight back, and die with the throat of a pig in their clenched fist.
Garret - 21 04 08 - 10:55

It’s funny. I always find myself having to define my definition of anarchy and autonomy when people ask me about politics and personal values. Even amongst alleged anarchist groups. It seems to me that I am either not an anarchist or there has been a GREAT BIG misunderstanding about what the words anarchism and autonomy mean. Finally it’s nice to see someone who sees that autonomy doesn’t mean “that I do what I want” but rather “I do without you”....If that makes any sense. We are not the dogs that side with criminals simply because they are “victims of the system”...hell we all are “victims of the system” if you wanna go that far. But I feel that if we are to be free, then we must learn how far our reach is, how much responsibility is left in the hands of the individual. Sorry, I rant.
Bob dole - 21 04 08 - 16:55

pure anarchy is about choas, beer, bonbs, fire, destruction of man and your mom rrrrrrick! you bum dart
brendan schmitz - 21 04 08 - 19:22

Garret is a pathetic loser. We would’ve known how to handle him. Sieg Heil Mein Furher!!!!!
Horst - 22 04 08 - 06:24

Inteligent Anarchism and Teen rebelious Anarchism can go often hand in hand. Im not saying the teenager that runs around school and calls himself an anarchist because he smokes weed and sneaks out after dark. Theres plenty of us teenage anarchists that are serious about the ideas of Anarchy. The people that take the time to take out every book they can and talk to every person they can to expand their mind about all political ideals and not just calling themselves anarchists because they rebel from thier parents. I like to think of it in the words of Jack Terricloth. “Because I hate you and im still trying to prove to you that your wrong.”
Dakota - 22 04 08 - 19:15

excuse me, but can anyone please infrom me what is wrong with Liber’tarian Socia’lism, or how it differs from anarchism?

Thank you in advance
[Ole Kristian] - 23 04 08 - 09:23

The thing about anarchy is… people would greatly abuse the privelage and probably do many distasteful things.. im not saying it couldn’t work… im saying people would abuse the privelage.
the republican () - 24 04 08 - 18:22

Liberty is a privelege? How so? What is it you think they wouldn’t be able to responsibly control?
BulimicMind - 24 04 08 - 21:23

Yeah, I have to chime in on what BulimicMind said … “privilege”? As I read it, it sounds like “the republican” is suggesting that it would be a privilege to live without the yoke of government. That really needs some further explanation.
[therapiststeve] - 26 04 08 - 17:10

We’re here for intelligent anarchism, not rebellious teen anarchism.
Jeff – 18 04 08 – 08:16

I’m only 15 – yes a teen. You mock “Teen Anarchy” as “rebellious anarchism”. ALL ANARCHY IS REBELLIOUS. Anarchy is against the mainstream belief in America of Government, and Democracy/Republic. You can sit at your computer all day sipping your coffee working at your dead end job with your nice typical catholic family, and talk anarchy all you want. Anarchy is rebellious. If you want Anarchy, you’re going to have to revolt against what’s holding you down. Now I know I’m not as mature as an adult, but you’re going to have to do something to get Anarchy. The president, government and secret police aren’t going to hand it to you on a platter. You can be as intelligent as you’d like, you’re not talking anyone into Anarchy without action, buddy. If you know the slightest thing about the government, Illuminati, free masons, etc I’m sure you’d be pissed and want action too. I’m assuming you don’t.
FuckTheIlluminati - 28 04 08 - 15:49

We’re here for intelligent anarchism, not rebellious teen anarchism.
Jeff – 18 04 08 – 08:16

I’m only 15 – yes a teen. You mock “Teen Anarchy” as “rebellious anarchism”. ALL ANARCHY IS REBELLIOUS. Anarchy is against the mainstream belief in America of Government, and Democracy/Republic. You can sit at your computer all day sipping your coffee working at your dead end job with your nice typical catholic family, and talk anarchy all you want. Anarchy is rebellious. If you want Anarchy, you’re going to have to revolt against what’s holding you down. Now I know I’m not as mature as an adult, but you’re going to have to do something to get Anarchy. The president, government and secret police aren’t going to hand it to you on a platter. You can be as intelligent as you’d like, you’re not talking anyone into Anarchy without action, buddy. If you know the slightest thing about the government, Illuminati, free masons, etc I’m sure you’d be pissed and want action too. I’m assuming you don’t.
FuckTheIlluminati – 28 04 08 – 15:49

Its understandable where you are coming from. I admire you drive, and your spirit. It’s something you see in the youth everyonce in a while but eventually dies out….and sometimes, but rarely transforms and transcends. You’ll come to see one day that everything has been like this for a long time, and the change you want doesn’t start at the top like you think it does. but it begins below….very below. There is one thing you must first grow to understand. 1) nothing matters what-so-ever. Nothing, life, good, evil, happiness, nothing….then you will come to realize 2) everything matters. i know its a paradox and sounds like im bullshitting you but well, i’m not and as tempted as I am to explain it further I think its better that you learn from it yourself. Your young, enjoy yourself, and study hard. study what you want to study and study it in-depth.
Bob dole - 29 04 08 - 11:14

thank you!!! i absolutely cannot stand the people who give a bad name to anarchists. they ruin our already struggling movement towards peace. these people are not anarchists, they are the exact opposite. While i do believe some sort of action is required to achieve our goals, these people focus on mindless “pranks” which target innocent people for their own personal pleasure.
I believe 100% that there will have to be a revolt to achieve our goals, but these so called “anarchists” are hurting our community instead of trying to teach people what anarchy is all about.
Michael () - 30 04 08 - 17:32

just a question… ive only recently started studying the movement of anarchy when a friend reccomended “the anarchists cookbook” after a few attacks on the authority figures at the mall i started reading it and soon worked out that true anarchy is more of inner peace and radiating that peace to others with this accurate description of anarchy i dare not insult you true anarchists lets just say i am a well informed fighter for peace by the way the mall cops dont patrol the carparks after dark anymore and break up conversations with my friends and i because a few well constructed smoke grenades got them off our backs
RandymanN () - 30 04 08 - 19:03

Damn straight. People think that were all about destruction because to undermine the corrupt society and politicians we have to sometimes do destructive things. Not that they arent fun. Anarchy is all about just not having someone telling you what to do and forcing you to follow them. Its about fighting our corrupt political society because its not right. For example, a family was going to move into a previously unowned home near mine. But the city mayor somehow swept it out from under them and bought it as a second house. No one kives there yet. So i set up a roadblock of flaming hay bales, spray painted “first come first serve” on the road, and torched the house with molotovs.
Kaz () - 01 05 08 - 02:28

You gotta do what it takes. We have to destroy before we create. Our society is not salvagable. The populace is mind-controlled and doesnt care that it is being controlled. I believe that true anarchy is being in peace and harmony with your fellow man, but the world we live in today does not want change, they want someone to do all their thinking for them so the can be contentedly unaware that they are being treated like a flock of mindless sheep, forced to do what the “good” shephard says. We must destroy the government, plain and simple. Once we have scrapped the whole system, we can begin to rebuild. In order to reach our goal, we will have to bomb government buildings, we will have to kill police, we will have to lie, and cheat, and assassinate several idividuals, all in the hope that, eventually, we will have freedom.
Garret - 01 05 08 - 19:29

All this business about teens and the intellectuals. There is a continuum that is failing to be recognized here. I was a “punk” when I was fifteen because I didn’t like the world the way my parent’s left it for me, and because I had been institutionalized for the entirity of my life in the public school system. There were some people who just dealt with it. And there were the people who were like, “WHAT THE FUCK is with the public school indoctrination-pledge of alliegence bullshit”. I soon “realized” that anarchy “would never work” and swallowed the rhetoric that we have all heard a thousand times.
Then I grew up and read Peter Kropotkin.
Happy May Day! Workers of the World Unite!

(Stop hating on each other. Yeah there are douchebags that say anarchy is about beer and drugs, but you are failiing to see the point. Did you ever consider that intoxication is a way to forget about the circumstances that are so averse to autonomy and individual freedoms in the United States. There are no options to escape capitalism. That is enough for me to want to take a few shots. Fuck.)
Natalie - 02 05 08 - 12:57

Thank you, Natalie. But I’d rather face my problems than drink them away.
Jason - 02 05 08 - 18:52

an·ar·chy Audio Help /ˈænərki/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[an-er-kee] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a state of society without government or law.
2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy.
3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.
4. confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith.
[Origin: 1530–40; (< MF anarchie or ML anarchia) < Gk, anarchía lawlessness, lit., lack of a leader, equiv. to ánarch(os) leaderless (an- an-1 + arch(ós) leader + -os adj. suffix) + -ia -y3]
Dic....tionary - 02 05 08 - 20:14

And what exactly is your point, Dic….tionary?
Garret - 03 05 08 - 12:12

I was simply trying to illustrate how the divisivenss within anarchy only hinders the goal. Whether or not some individuals’ actions reflect actions accepted by the “intellectual anarchists”, the point still remains that there is some common ground between self-titled anarchists that does not exist between the majority of capitalist society. If there is ever going to be change on the global front in the name of individual autonomy and true freedom, we need to get past otiose judgements of others’ actions and work together. Don’t cast the first stone lest ye be judged. Save the stones for the pigs.
Natalie () - 03 05 08 - 12:46

I hardly believe it is fair to argue the fact that some ‘anarchists’ simply represent an aggressive stance whilst others take a passive stance. If, for example, you consider Buddhists. Whilst some are strictly passive and opposed to the use of violence in order to integrate their ideals into society, others are quite radical. Likewise, Christianity is much the same. There are branches and divisions of groups, whether they be religious, political or social. Anarchy is much the same. You cannot refer to one group as a ‘disgrace’ simply because you take a passive stance, albeit the fact that violence is not the anger. Admittedly, anarchy is not intended as a means to escape the judiciary and the executive of the government. It is simply a means to escape their control.

Honestly, I completely agree with Natalie. Social harmony comes through unity. As was once suggested by a functionalist, the consensus values of society come from balance and unity. If there is ever to be a chance that anarchy gains some influence within society, it is through the demonstration of absolute execution. Execution is not meant to intend violence. It is meant to intend precision, tactfulness, sharpness. The misinterpretation of anarchy is simply amplified by a lack of action or a lack of coherence amongst anarchy groups. They say rules are made to be broken. I say society was made to be broken.
Ian () - 03 05 08 - 14:09

this has always been quite amusing to me. I personally don’t approve of punk boozer anarchists, but you can’t call them posers if they dissaprove of authority. That would make us intelects just as poserish and ignorant as we think they are. Just remember that even if they give anarchists a bad name, booze and chaos isn’t in the dinotation of anarchy, and we have to live and accept the fact that they are, unfortunately, fellow anarchists.
kevin - 04 05 08 - 11:51

Its like how most priests rape small children, but there are some that dont. The pedifile ones have to learn how to accept the normal ones, because both categories are clergymen, and if the catholic church wants to continue in their evil practice of world-domination, then all of them will have to work together.
Garret - 04 05 08 - 19:17

Gee, that’s quite a disturbing connection, but correct in a way, once you get past the questionable stereotype and the morbidity of the comparison. Just remember to specify that those people are catholic priests.
kevin () - 05 05 08 - 17:18

Ouch, rebellious teen anarchy. That one stung. I’m not a supporter of the chaos anarchy, but I understand the stereotype.
Kaleb () - 06 05 08 - 07:02

I think this is mostly directed at the STUPID, trendy teens who support Anarchy just so they can act obnoxious and look “cool” (Hot Topic Kids).

I am an “angry anarchist”, because I am angry at what’s going on with the world and how messed up this war and this system is . This could be considered “rebellious teen anarchy”.

I do not drink, or do any drugs (simply because I don’t like “losing control” of myself). But if you do drink or take any drugs, whatever, that’s your choice and who am I to decide if your a poser or not?

Also, I do not graffiti, riot or anything of that sort. But, I have nothing against the people who are willing to go to those lengths. They are simply more active than myself. There is nothing wrong with that assuming no innocent people are harmed.

I believe in anarchy, I am simply just not an “activist”. That’s hard for some 15 year old kid in Michigan.
Austin - 06 05 08 - 12:35

Why isn’t anyone DOING anything?
Jessie - 06 05 08 - 17:09

As far as I am concerned, anyone that uses the term ‘poser’ has reverted back to high-school mentality, because that was the only time that I have ever heard that expression.
I disagree with nominalizing a groups’ opinions based on a characteristic that they have no control over (age), however for an “intellectual” group of anarchists who sit around and complain about drugs and posers, there do sure seem to be a lot of 15 year olds around here.

No disrespect, but this will be my last post.
Natalie () - 06 05 08 - 23:24

Yeah, but for there to be a lot of 15yo’s around here, things are running well.
Kaleb () - 07 05 08 - 11:28

I never complained, I was actually doing the opposite. As far as I know there’s only two 15 year olds on here, maybe 3 or 4 if there’s a few that I am not aware of.

About the whole "poser thing", I agree it’s childish to call someone a poser. But you can’t say there aren’t any, because there are people out there that just do it to "look cool" or people who have no clue what they’re supporting or talking about.

Natalie, about the 15 year comment.
I’ll willingly admit a majority of kids are stupid, however, generalizing someone based on their age is foolish.
And I know you said this yourself. However, unless I misunderstood, you contradicted yourself near the end of your post. Implying that because I’m young or whatever, that I mustn’t be "intellectual enough" and that I shouldn’t be posting on a site that claims to be intellectual.

Trying not to sound too angry, sorry if I do. Because really, I’m not.
I just don’t think being 15 matters.
Austin - 07 05 08 - 17:06

So, as an Anarchists, where exactly do ethics arise?

I say anarchy is B.S. Ethics arise from mutual requests by people in society, who by asking others to recognize their individuality, implicitly recognize the individuality of those others. Thus, in a group, by agreement, rules of conduct emerge that are good, decent, and respectful of all. Our problems come from religions, and from lack of respect for self, society, and the environment.

Anarchy seems to say there is no society, only individuals. In that case, solipsism is the necessary ethics, and your ‘anything goes’ mentality is sanctioned [by virtue of there being no constraints, and no society].
Craig Crosby () - 09 05 08 - 22:43

ok sum might call me a poser …..but no…...i believe in freedom very deeply….as i see it as a 13 year old….the system doesnt give ppl under 18 a chance….i have even started a black bloc cell in my town….what i mean by a “chance” is that the government will set laws for us “minors” based on a study at a fuckin university somewhere thats used to generalize us….i am so close to overthrowing the school system internally…i have fought the skool system since i was 9 and after alot of meeting he fuckin rich pig that is called the superintendant is gonna have my voice and my beliefs stiffed right down his throat…i am sick of hearing your to young…your to young to understand that….fuck you i can learn and understand what i fuckin want…..black bloc 4 life….fight the pigs…ANARCHY WILL NEVER DIE!!!
Julien - 10 05 08 - 19:42

i myself happen to like fire (not drugs/booze, just fire) but have never associated it with anarchy. i just like its beauty/the physics about it. and i completely agree with everything said above. anarchy is the only true freedom there is and is the natural state of the world.
andrew () - 10 05 08 - 20:31

I suppose the real debate is whether or not chaos is a requesit of harmony, but I agree with most of this statement, with the exception of the ‘materials gains’ part. I value the human imagination (even in video games) and I certainly don’t view material goods as any kind of crutch. Anarchism’s association with drinking, drugs etc is most likely thanks to the Sex Pistols and their ‘Punk’ demeanor. Although, I confess I no nothing about the Sex Pistols, they seem much more like meaningless rebels than anachists to me.
Radox Redux - 12 05 08 - 21:46

Although I agree with most of this original post don’t be misled. How can any of us actually expect anyone else to take notice till we get our heads out the gutter. Just because you can smoke/drink/screw freely doesn’t mean you should. After all how would anarchy work out in the first place if everyone just wants to destroy themselves(and everyone else). Take care of your mind and the rest will follow. Not every law is meant to oppress just as every dress wasn’t meant to turn you on. Learn what your fighting for before you decide to go to war. PEACE IS AN ILLUSION , GREED IS A GIVE IN and these days , unfortunately ANARCHY IS JUST A FASHION STATEMENT (for most)....
Castor Troy () - 13 05 08 - 17:06

I may be a teen anarchist, however i dont beleive in unessesary violance unless my rights are being repressed. Then i won’t take that and im sorry but no one has the right to tell me what i can or can’t do. It’s just that simple. In a world where there is the dominant and inferior if i were to listen to what they told me i would be placing myself below them where they will notice this and continue to step on me. I know my rights and will not take it when a pig tells me that it’s against the law for me to do something that i know is plainfully legal. That is probably why im in trouble with alot of people. But u older folks got to know that im more of a passive type of person. I dont smoke because i dont beleive that the natural way of the world was intended for me to alter what my feelings are. If i want to get "high" then i will be with my girl-freind. People think that teenagers are disrespectful and dont cooperate. They were always tought to give respect in order to gain respect, well i tried giving alot of people respect but when they dont return the favor and treat me like a lesser and then complain that im rebellious and that my life is going wrong and all that other stuff i tell them i dont care, that id rather regret doing something then regret not doing something, and if i have to die for what i what beleive in then i will. Then they go on about how im out of control and my life is a complete screw up. i tell them, "good when i die, and if it’s soon, its for the best. And perhaps you shouldnt have conceived me the world would have been a happier place. God knows that their is too many of us humans as their are…" then they usually leave me alone till next time they want to nag at me. Even my teachers have givin up at yelling at me when i go to sleep in class or me and my freinds are talking. But even though i do do those things i try to maintain some control so that i dont make them angry because they are putting up with me and that has got to take some patience. I’m totally for accepting what other people have to say to me so please contact me, my email is Proskater518@hotmail.com
Chris () - 14 05 08 - 11:10

i agree with julien!! the same thing happens to me!!im tired of that fuking principal at my school!! you see ALL THOSE kids at my school ! theyre all mind-controlled!! the teachers do wut ever they want with us and if you answer bak the say your giving attitude and they send you to the main office!!!!! and when i tell my parents that it wasnt my foult they always belive the fucking teacher! just cuz im only 15 and imtoo young to understand!! AT LEAST IMNOT FUCKIN BLIND AS ADULTS ARE!!! FUCKING VOTING FOR A PRESIDENT WHO LOOKS FOR WUT HE CALLS “PEACE“IN A FUKING WAR!!! TALKING BULLSHIT ON TV AND HALF OF THE REAL TRUTH STAYS HIDDEN AT THE FUCKING WHITEHOUSE!! I BELIVE WE SHOULD WORK TOGETHER IF WE WANT PEACE!! AND NOT FIGHT FOR STUPID THINGS THAT ARE KILLIG OURSELF!! AND THE SAMEGOES FOR RELIGIONS!!! THEY ALL HAVE A FUCKING DIFFERENT NAME (CHRISTIAN,CATHOLIC,JEWS, WUTEVER!) AND YOU SEE THEY ALL TALKABOUT EACHOTHER! CHRISTIANS SAY JOHOVA WITNESS HAVE A FAKE BIBLE ! CATHOLICS TALK SHIT BOUT CHRISTIANS AND AT THE FUCKING END THEY ARE ALL BELIVING IN THE SAME GOD!!!! WUTS THE POINT OF HAVING DIFFERENT NAMES AND SHIT!! IF ANYWAYS THERES ONLY ONE GOD AND ONLY ONE BIBLE!!!!
creepie! () - 16 05 08 - 16:38

im sorry julien, you can never overthrow the school system, because youd have to face every public school in the nation to do so. And just follow the school because it will help you in the long run. Take the knowledge and absorb the crap, don’t fight it, just take it. Tolerance is part of anarchism. We have been fighting for years about anarchy, but diligence will pay off. Besides, in an anarchist society, knowledge is only too important, and screwing around will not get you into a good college. If you go to a good college, you can more easily straighten out and express your beliefs without sounding like a rebellious punk who hates homework, which i’m not saying you are, but other people may think you are. Trust me, i’m only 14, but i was the same as you only 10 months ago.
kevin () - 18 05 08 - 11:00

I agree with Kevin, you need education. It is essential in the struggle for peace.
Austin () - 18 05 08 - 23:41

thank god there is a sane amount of people in this world!

look all over myspace bebo facebook etc. and u find loads of anarchy sites…. unforunately most are false.

shows the world how many true anachists like myslef are still out there doesnt it!...
arsenic.kandy - 20 05 08 - 08:30

If you going to comment on something MAKE SURE YOU DO THE RESEARCH FIRST. It’s easy to be mad when your young and learning the ways of the world, everyone is angry BE ANGRY WITH REASON. BTW if your a youngster on here pay attention to what kevin just said a couple of posts back.
Castor Troy - 20 05 08 - 12:01

im a real fuckin anarchist
fuck all the posers i make my own goverment
(bitch?)
ASSASIAN - 21 05 08 - 10:58

i hate all anarchist posers im hers to talk to real anarchist
thers peaple at my school that thinck there fukin anarchist and i just want
to kick ther ass…..anarchy is about (YOU) and you making ur own rules not to fuckin chaos,beer,and riot all the frekin time.
ASSASIAN () - 21 05 08 - 11:03

great now everyone get the fuck up n go do something. your preaching to the choir here. chaos=order. nature is chaos but there is an order to it so chaos is ideal. when you try to control everything with a system you just create more problems. so chaos is not a bad thing with intelligent people. do what you want without hurting any1 else.
Peace. Love. Freedom
every1 (URL) - 23 05 08 - 11:58

i think u al need to stfu because ur views all all bullshit and this will never ever actually happen….anarky i mean…...
STFU - 24 05 08 - 20:41

Mind explaining, STFU? By the way, nice 4th grade spelling and sentence construction skills.
Garret - 25 05 08 - 12:24

i agree garret that sounds like a 10 year old
ya - 25 05 08 - 15:46

U have to face the fact that anarchy will most likely never occur…. there will always be someone governing over someone else….
STFU - 25 05 08 - 15:47

great now everyone get the fuck up n go do something. your preaching to the choir here. chaos=order. nature is chaos but there is an order to it so chaos is ideal. when you try to control everything with a system you just create more problems. so chaos is not a bad thing with intelligent people. do what you want without hurting any1 else.
Peace. Love. Freedom
every1 (URL) – 23 05 08 – 11:58

I agree chaos is mostly thought of as a kind of, lets kill everyone and loot stuff thing in most cases, but people need to realize that chaos is a good thing in the hands of intelligent people who would not bring harm to others and such.
Locke - 25 05 08 - 15:50

Are u saying that intelligent people never bring harm to others or steal anything…. because usually the most ruthless serial killers are normally at the genius level.
Demosthenes - 25 05 08 - 15:52

Yes but that is only in certain cases
Locke - 25 05 08 - 15:52

lulz im nt mental u noob; i just think dat if no1 cud b a anarkist if dey all act like lil babies n kill eac othr n no goverment to do stuff bout it
STFU - 25 05 08 - 15:54

n u guyz r goin 2 hell kk? fer the sole reason dat u dun like americas goverment
STFU - 25 05 08 - 15:57

oh look… now who sounds childish….
STFU - 25 05 08 - 17:14

the point is… if anarchy worked y isnt it employed in any type o society now
STFU - 25 05 08 - 17:19

*of
STFU - 25 05 08 - 17:22

Its not employed in any society right now because big buisnesses and such need people to pray on. Without any currency of things such as that their wealth is completely erased. Something which they do not want. And your gonna say “Why doesn’t the president or ruler change that?” How do you think got the president elected. They promise things to the corporates and suchs so they will endorse and back him up. and the police force works for the government to keep the people opressed and in line. Being opressed makes it sort of hard to rise up and have a revolution to try to change everything.
Dakota () - 25 05 08 - 21:00

STFU, I took about 10 minutes of my meaningless life to decipher your hieroglyphics. Please to learn to spell properly.

2nd, saying that we are going to hell because we don’t like America’s government is perhaps the funniest thing I heard today. I don’t need to explain why; if you had a brain you would have already figured it out.

Third, you are confusing anarchy and anomie together. Anarchy is no ruler, but an anomie is lack of social value and rules. In an anarchy, people would use values learned through subtly employed propaganda by intellectual anarchists through television, education (optional, of course), or, i don’t know, billboard ads let’s say. People would use these values to “take law into their own hands” to decipher what is right and wrong, and would punish people accordingly, whether through violence or words. Theoretically, this would catch the attention of another person who evaluates the situation based on virtues, and would start a chain reaction of moral correctings. In that way, anarchism could work with violence and other problems.
Besides, people kill babies and each other today in our government anyway, right?

Lastly, anarchy is not employed in any society because it is not widely spread anywhere, and because too many people don’t bother trying it because they don’t think it would work. Communism never spread until after Karl Marx died, right?
kevin () - 26 05 08 - 10:59

those miss spellings where done by idiots posing as me….. and neither of those idiots views where my own…. they’ll probably gonna post as me again….. also im pretty sure your reason is correct as to y anarchy is not in any society now and i appreciate u explaining that 2 me.
STFU - 26 05 08 - 14:26

if i had an example or even a simulation of that type of society my views on the subject would definitely change.
STFU - 26 05 08 - 14:28

but stil teh fact remains – n everyon nows what im talkin about.
STFU - 27 05 08 - 18:14

Stop posing as me!
STFU - 27 05 08 - 18:18

....READ MY NAME POSERS
STFU - 28 05 08 - 19:44

Oh wtf happened now?
STFU - 30 05 08 - 21:02

i am a 16 teen and some people say that im to young to be an anarchist i mean wtf??
Anti_iorgus () - 01 06 08 - 10:34

I hate it when kids are wearing a shirt with the logo on it and i ask them what they think it means. One person said hell. Too many people think it is about rioting, drinking, and just being a bad person when really it is about making your own decisions. Not letting somebody else plan out your life. I’m only 13 and i understand. Why do people always assume Anarchism is about trying to screw up the world.
how - 07 06 08 - 15:46

well How,i don’t know how clear my answer is to you, but I believe that stupid Americans (all of America) are being easily manipulated by people high in power, in order to keep their power and American imperialism alive.

Are you familiar with the Red Scare? The Red Scare was a wave of anti-Communism caused by high American leaders in certain times in the 19th and 20th century. Anyone communist or suspected to be communist was put to death. Actors suspected to be communists were put out of work. One result of this was the famous trial of Sacco and Vanzetti. This is a parallel of the anti-anarchism in America, though not to the same extent. I hope I helped you find your answer
kevin () - 08 06 08 - 20:27

this artical rocks. i believe in making your own choices and not being frwned on. i feel if you are not hurting anyoine then what the hell is the problem. to be honest i just found anarchy. i have always felt i had something against the government. i didnt have no sence. since i have been doing a little studieing on it i have learned there are different ways to live anarchy. what i have come to see is its not about distruction but freedom. i stand up for anarchy at work everyone thinks its so bad and its isnt.
wade () - 11 06 08 - 10:53

im 16 and i believe in anarchy. yeh i lyke takin drugs, blowin shit up and drinkin. but i also understand that the only way to achieve anarchy is through piece. [no violence=no police=no law=anarchy] so being a teenager, that just left skewl and doesnt have a job or anything, doesnt make me any lower then u guys. however. not many people are anarchists, so there not trying to achieve piece. all there worried about is getting that pay check at the end of the week and spending it all on some dumb ass shit, lyke a big fuck-off telly so they can watch snoop dogg talk bout how much meaningless shit he owns. thats why blowing shit up lyke banks and big chain stores is nessacery to being an anarchist in this day and age. instead of sitting around on your computer all day long, doing fuck all to help and criticising those who do. im am not pissed off with whoever wrote this article/column whatever, i am only pissed off with a handfull of people who have posted. teenage angst is the only thing anarchys got right now. peace isnt working you gotta wait til all the bank’s and credit card company’s records are destroyed. then after the world isnt controlled by money, then there will be time for piece. but we gotta act fast. day by day the man is coming up with more and more ways of making these things not possible. so you can either be a slave to the man, work and go about your boring just a number lives or you can act now. before its to late. i know what im talking about, so dont criticise me or any other person just coz they can also see a reason to use force against the fascist pigs that control this earth and all the pointless existence pricks that live on it.
edd () - 16 06 08 - 18:48

Ok…I’m gonna go with Proudhon’s words to define myself politically: «I’m an anarchist, but a friend of the order». I consider myself an anarcho-communist because I believe societes can be equal and provide fair justice to all of its citizens. I believe in the inherent right of individual freedom, such as the right of everyone to Human Dignity and Human Respect inside a society, a community in which one individual lives.
True anarchy is, I believe, the complete lack of hierarchy, the existence of someone superior or inferior to me, because everyone is entitled as much as I am to a dignifying life where all my basic needs of life(food, water, housing) are fulfilled. Its the societies commitment to itself, not to a few elite, but also not to anyone at all, but for itself that can bring a true anarchy, where no one is higher or lower than the other. Where authority isnt impersonated in only one person, or few of them, or even a majority, but its embodied in the whole community. I believe in laws, I believe in order, I believe in people cooperating together to assure all of its people have food on their dishes, water on their cups and a roof above their heads.
If a person wants to wander around naked or wants to leave its community to somewhere else, that person shouldnt be stopped, she should do whatever she wants, but I also believe that while a person is within a community, it has an inherent commitment to reinforce the productive forces of the society to continue to sustain its society. Answering to no leaders, to no institutions, but to the people he makes part of. The Anarchy I believe is the one where society still exists, but without rulers and where the laws are embodied by the whole of the communities that make them.
Government is a form of imprisionment of the people, but right now, the main enemy are the corporations that control our resources, our media, our space and lands and this kind of power and distribution of national wealth will only lead to the worst kind of anarchism there is: Anarcho-Capitalism. Right now, we’re still seen as citizens, but with that kind of political system, we would only be seen as productive resources, we would be slaves.
Power to the People!
NJRT () - 18 06 08 - 17:55

I was a Anarchist, when i was fairly younger, but it really gets you to thinking, does Communitarian Anarchism actually work? No.

Murders – You have these in every society, expecially American, and denying them goods is not going to stop them from killing. They will just kill you for the food, and please do not say they will not need a reason to kill, we are all smarter than that, people kill each other threwout history, and it’s because people are born up wrong, or something or the such.

The First Day – of Anarchism would be pure hell. With noone to lead, who would take control? The buildings and everything would be destroyed most likely, because of the riot to achieve it. People would have no idea what to do.

Wars – You must admit, wars are always happening, if their was a war between like D and A, the rest of the Communitys would come to help, but what if D is too strong? They could easily take control.

Foreign Defense – A few nukes is not going to stop invaders from other worlds from attacking this new free nation.

And much more i could go into.

It, just would not work, for intelligent people, it would be great, but considering that the average person would not understand the process, it would not work! Communism is the next closest thing, in my opinon.
No - 18 06 08 - 19:54

This article is amazing. None of my friends understand that anarchy isn’t about chaos. I myself am a “rebellious teenager” but I believe in and support everything in this article unlike my so-called anarchist friends.
Noah - 18 06 08 - 20:01

Answering No:

I actually believe that Comunitarian Anarchism applied to whole nations or even big cities or every human group that its so big that its elements lose the possibility of “familiarity”. I believe this kind of anarchism would only be successful in small communities with a limit of a very few hundred people.
I mention “familiarity” because in my point of view, its important that each individual of the community sees the other, not as a competitor for some general goal the community is trying to achieve, like our actual society, but as a friend and a colleague that helps along with the community to assure its sustainability.
As I said, I believe in laws, in order, but these, instead of being impersonated by only one person or an elite that makes Justice happen, it should be taken by all of the community citizens. And I honestly believe that an educated society its a wise one, if the younger generations would be thought and educated by the older ones of how to sustain the community in an anarchist-communitarian way. Take the example of politicians and leaders who are tainted by society when its founded out they screwed up in someway, that kind of responsability should be shared within all the community, its not only one that must be responsible, all of the citizens must be so the community is sustainable.
Anarchism is rebellion, the same way all the political systems that arent in power are, because if people just do nothing and go along with it, nothing will happen, but one thing is pointless riots driven by confused teenagers, another thing is the resistance that Anarchists in Spain have done against the Fascist regime of Franco, for decades. the point of Riot in Anarchism is reaching a change and making a stand towards an opressive regime like the capitalist one. I believe that the first bridge to apply in a stable way Anarchism would be to introduce anarcho-sindicalism as a way to regulate the labour market and direct democracy on the communities and cities we live in, so that the people who experience the effects of the Law, should also be its cause.
As you say, wars will always happen and they happen mainly for resources, if a war happens, the only thing the community can make is to defend itself, with or without the help of allies. But take a look at the subtitle of this site; «Inteligent Anarchism for a Post-Globalist future». I believe that an anarchist future will be the end of a global race to be the most powerful and strongest country, the end of having the better economy, the better defense and so on, it will be a start of an era where nations would be made of communities whose aim would be sustainability, without having to recurr to War, and even if the nation or community would not be sustainable at some things, it could trade them for other things they would have in excess with other communities. By the way, Market isnt Capital and Ownership, it might just be mutual trade of products.
Post-Globalist also means that it would be a world where the course of actions wouldnt be taken at a global level, an era post globalization.
You say that it could work for intelligent people, well, than, the purpose of that society should be raising intelligent people, tolerant people, responsible people and I believe that can be possible in an Anarchist society.
As long as there is a society where one person is “more” than the other, when one individual has an inequal treatment, where there is discrimination and opression in a general or individual way, the only course that society can take is change and societies should only stop changing untill they treat their citizens with respect and equal justice, with no discrimination and having in count their Human Dignity. Untill that society doesnt emerge, we can only keep fighting for it.
NJRT - 20 06 08 - 07:52

I agree completely, Anarchy isn’t about fireworks, bing drinking, and weed. Anarchy is about the freedom to choose to do such things if you please, or for that matter, do anything you want. But also you have to look past the basics of Anarchy, I believe that Anarchy is also about being educated and knowledgable, you have to know your enemies to fight them, right?
Jon () - 21 06 08 - 12:21

While I agree with some of the thing stated in this very, very brief assertion about anarchism, there are a few things that need to be noted.

1:While drunk, stoned, molotov-hurling anarchists may “give anarchists” a bad name, people have the freedom to make their own decisions. Sometimes we consider those decisions to be ignorant, immoral, or just downright idiotic, but part of making one’s own decisions is making one’s own mistakes of one’s own volition. “Fireworks, binge drinking, and weed” are an individuals decision to make. If we oppose that decision, of course, on an educated and convicted moral level, I guess we are self-obligated to work in opposition to the realization of that decision, but that, as well, is our decision to make!!!

2:The connotations of this imply, in my mind, a condemnation of violence (including against property, which is ironic for an “anarchist” article: how the hell else do you fight a “corporate” person than direct violence against property?), and to a large extent a condemnation of direct action. Such writings have the potential to cause infighting amongst anarchists, and in the past often have. To save ourselves, we must embrace a diversity of tactics, and yes, sometimes that includes open armed confrontation and “pyrotechnics.” Pyrotechnics are as uncondemnable as nudism.

3:Live and let live extends only so far as letting live is happening. Since capitalism, democracy, authoritarian regimes, torture, oppression, repression, and wage slavery do “let live,” is it not our direct obligation to not allow that which does not let live… live? And the best way to do that is in direct opposition. But our war is not only on a political, national, or monetary front. To fight for anarchism we fight for our lives, our emotions, our minds, our bodies, our wellbeing, and our ability to thrive rather than simply survive. For us to do that, we have to be a cohesive body, operating in unison harmoniously toward mutual goals even if we differ in some respects to those who we work with.

4:Combine attack with your attack on all anarchists who are not simply communitarian anarchists. I consider myself a radical-leftist anarchist to a large extent, even though I have the notion that anarchism is inherently more conservative than conservative could ever be (in it’s truest form, and without religious influence). I feel that direct, and sometimes even violent, action is often necessary, especially when direct and violent action is being brought to bear against me (even though I haven’t been in a non-intellectual dispute for well over 8 years). If I choose to embark upon a course of action that does not suite your way of doing things, then DON’T FUCKING CONDEMN ME for it unless it is directly against your personal values and requires conflict. My brand of anarchism, and life in general, for that matter, may not be the same as yours, but we share mutual goals and we can act mutually beneficially toward each other. Instead of saying, “Oh, that tear gas canister chucking anarchists give us a bad name!” and simply condemning it, try explaining why I, or other people, employ pyrotechnics and what they’re fighting against. Dissension among us does no good, and fostering such dissension as this is ignorant and almost outright elitist.

5:Communitarian anarchism is remarkably similar to the conclusions I myself have come to, however it seems a bit isolationist in approach the way you present it. And you also seem to condemn other varieties of anarchism helter-skelter. After we’ve lost almost all of our ground over the past 90+ years (ever since the indictment of an anarchist who assassinated a president, you could say, or maybe even before then), fostering dissension among our ranks, even in ignorance, is a grievous and catastrophic mistake. Anarcho-communism, anarcho-individualism, and pan-anarchism may not be your way of seeing things, and you may say “live and let live,” but verbal, textual, and social interactions are a way of interfering with our lives and our harmony.

So, quite simply, stop your righteous condemnation. If kids are smoking, drinking, and yelling anarchy, take the time to educate them and plant a seed, and 10 years down the road you might find a friendly ear and an intelligent individual to strengthen our movement toward human liberation.
Le Reveur () - 22 06 08 - 01:59

I am seventeen years old, have lived in Florida my entire life, have kept a GPA of 3.2, and an active member of my JROTC. I try to keep up with politics, but usually get so pissed that I change it to music and work out. Now, yes I am Anti-Government (else why would I be posting here[and not just mine, but everyone’s]) and I am waiting for the US to collapse (just as every great democratic empire has in the past). We are being bombarded with subliminal advertising everyday telling us to get a nine-to-five and lead (or rather follow) a productive role in society, if you feel anything at all: then it’s wrong and you need pills to regulate it, and yes the public education system is a horrible teaching mechanic, designed to now fill us with propaganda (albeit minor) and to educate us with a bare minimum of information to keep us uninformed and barely able to live any sort of life. I have never vandalized public property(maybe I’ve done something that the school system would call vandalizing, but I could’ve done a lot worse), I don’t litter, and I was even a vegetarian for three years (no meat, no animal by-product in which the animal had to die to harvest it [like gelatin], but I did eat cheese and drink milk) to get a fuller understanding of just what it means to eat a once living creature, it also helped me realize that plants are as alive as animals (and I think have as much of a soul). I used to be very devoted to god, but I couldn’t stand being associated with his followers, pulling a statistic out of my ass I’d say that eighty percent of the Christians I’ve met are hypocritical bigots, whether it’s racism being intolerant of other religions, so I “switched” to Agnosticism (in the most basic explanation I can give: If there’s a god that’s great, if there isn’t I’m not going to do evil anyway [although evil is just an onlooker’s point of view]). I practice Ninpo (the philosophical teachings within Ninjitsu), and studied Bushido (but I didn’t find it’s application suited to my style, if I may sound arrogant). I’ve never even tried narcotics (I don’t like aspirin and despise what Nyquil does to me, the only pills I’ve ever taken daily are Vitamin C, Iron, and a chewable Flinstones multivitamin, as well as an acne medication because no cream or wash helped), and haven’t drank since I tried beer when I was very young(I’d guess around like 8, but the memory feels younger) and Champagne during the fireworks shooting off of the Eiffel Tower during the 2000 new year’s celebration.

If that’s enough background information, now I can say my opinion. First, I think anarchy should begin with educated people, and thus spell-check. Now, because the school system is a cesspool of un-education, it is up to the students attending to make the most of it and actually learn (not just fucking pass). Same with current elections, adults need to pay attention to who’s going to be fucking is next and from what directions. Yes we’ll be exposed to subliminal advertising, but you need to be able to spot the lies and the half truths. In guerrilla warfare, you use your opponent’s strengths as a weakness. If you want to be a rebel, graduate high-school. Take advantage of what you can get out of our “free education.” (here’s an idea, go to youtube and listen to the song ‘read a book’) Setting math books on fire won’t help, the only thing it will do is make it harder for the rest of us (and if you don’t care about the rest of us, us being anarchists, then you’re missing the point of anarchism: acceptance). Throwing smoke bombs at mall security….come on! What is that going to accomplish?! Maybe you’ll cause them to quit, so what? With the economy the way it is right now, people are chomping at the bit for a job; and it’s not like the mall is a front for CIA information depot showing how 911 was an inside job (I also realize that you didn’t actually say why you were running form mall security, but I doubt it was a competent reason).

Pigs? What makes cops different from us? They follow laws. That’s it! They are as similar to us as we are to each other. They follow written laws and we follow unwritten truths (truth also being relative to where you were standing when it happened). They believe that people will only know peace/happiness through regulated systems. Funny story, my dad is as much of an anarchist as I am, and he’s a prison guard (irony being he also has a pig farm); which only proves that some of these so called “robots” are also just “posers,” they just do it for the money or the status or the girls. Shouting “Down wit’ da’ pigz!!1!” will only make it harder for the rest of us and only make onlookers think that we are all just a bunch of smokers and jokers. Yeah, I love disturbed, SOAD (now just Serj Tankian), and A Perfect Circle (I’d name more but I don’t want some loser to go off on a tangent about how some band isn’t NWO). I shop at Hot Topic and I laugh my ass off whenever I go into Spencers; it’s hilarious sneaking stink bombs into a teacher’s desk. The point is, fun is fun, but sometimes it’s only that. Get organized, do some research as to how things go on in your town. If you’re going to target the police, just remember that they target rapists and murderers (and if you don’t think police help, then next time you’re in trouble try calling a crackhead). The best weapon against law enforcement is either befriending some and convincing one or two of your philosophies, then allowing them to spread it like vectors. Most cops that I know are pretty much anarchists, or could be with a little prodding. Just remember that an enemy can become a friend as easily as you convert Oxygen into Carbon Dioxide, just waste a little breath on them, see what happens. If you’re convinced that diplomatic actions must give way to hostility, then make sure that it’s real. Don’t just write gang names all over street signs (because my girlfriend already has a hard time seeing them as it is). Identify your cause and what it is you fight for; don’t write thirty swastikas (all facing the wrong direction) because you won’t get much public support. Use their weapon against them, send anti-government propaganda to newspapers and News Stations, then when it’s played to the sheep it may actually provoke thought (but that’s only if what’s in it is clear, intelligent, and to the point so that news-spinners don’t dance around what you meant to say). Fight Club, great example; they didn’t kill a single person (and if they did it wasn’t their intention, btw I love the giant smiley face with flaming eyes). Rebellion isn’t a spur of the moment kind of thing, blind passion should be reserved for the springing of the plan, the planning should be left to calmer people with social grace. Rely on and respect* your fellow anarchists. A pawn may become a queen if it keeps driving forward, but there’s still the whole board to cover. Generally one person can only do so much (even though the phrase ‘so much’ means a lot), you may be able to apply the plan yourself, but it needs to be coordinated with others. If you decide to slam oppression solo, at least be sure to check up on the rest of us to see how your efforts best be spent, don’t worry, you’ll still get most of the credit.

I didn’t list my email because 1. I rarely check it, and 2. It’ll be that much harder for Law Enforcement to track me. I’m aware they could track my IP address, but if I put my email, then they could track me whenever I use myspace (which is frequent). As long as I don’t ping, they can’t rely on my IP address as heavily.

We are anonymous.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
Expect us.
Pendrake - 24 06 08 - 12:52

Pendrake,
Please allow me to make a guess about you… your lifestyle. You say you work out… Do you, and/or anyone else here believe, that anarchy… Is a test… of manhood. The so called ‘men’ of today’s society, of the Modern Era, are fat fools, the human equivalent of sheep, blindly following what the commercials tell them; living out their day to day lives in total ignorance of their bondage to the New American Empire.
Do not take me wrong. I LOVE America… I love the ability to vote, to do what you please. I’ll bet that many of the people here, even you, maybe, take for granted what opportunity you have here… or had here. Or that’s how I saw America… Until…
Until I looked around and saw the ignorance, stupidity, and obecity. I looked around and I saw welfare. I saw Hollywood. I saw the CIA. The FBI. And I saw how big the government was… how much it controlled… I saw my very words here monitered by someone, someone breaking the Freedom of Speech Act. The Founding Fathers are TURNING IN THEIR GRAVES!!!!!
I still love what America was… I don’t wish for it to be destroyed… But, changed. Changed back to what it once was. We used to say "the United States are" now we say "the United States is". Things have changed, horribly.
I digress. Back to your lifestyle. The old form of government was a testing ground, a challenge for a man, and for women too. Now to live in America means this: for a man: work, get paid, eat, sleep, and have a long dick… for a woman: be pretty, be good on your back, marry someone rich, stay young for as long as possible.
To be a man used to mean so much… To protect and provide for your family in the best way possible, to be a loving husband, a caring father, a learned scholar, a wise teacher, an honest neighbor, a strong warrior, a daring soldier…etc… you get my drift.
I am not a Christian, I am a Deist, or Agnostic, or whatever. God doesn’t care. But, If you want to see what the perfect woman is, read the later three chapters of the Song of Solomon (I was raised a Christian.) It says that a good wife "rises before the sun to prepare the house for the day ahead" she is a financial asset to her house. A hard worker. etc.
Do you see the huge difference? Despite a few exceptions, our society is filled with… here, let me put it in a politically correct way. FAT SLOBS AND LAZY HOARS!!!!!!

And these people the REAL men and women need pay no taxes, need swear allegiance to none, need follow no rules.
Save one.
Do not harm other persons or their property.
If this rule is broken then the only form of government, the town jury. Will deal with the offender… justly…
and capitally.
Heofbygonedays - 27 06 08 - 14:54

Heofbygonedays, you obviously misunderstood everything I was driving at. Let me try again:

I explained things about, myself just for fun basically, so you could understand what type of person I am. By my saying I don’t watch TV, I was attempting to show that I don’t really follow all that is popular or trendy. I only follow what I think is right. As in ME. When I went into how I studied Ninjitsu, the point was that I liked how the peoples of pre-feudal Japan lived in their own little unit, only being stirred when threatened by some man professing regulation. I’m not saying stop showering or typing on your computer, what I’m saying is that it’s up to us to make things right for ourselves.

Yes, I am incredibly thankful that I’m not forced into religion or anything else that less fortunate peoples perhaps are, which is why I liked studying Revolutionary-to-Civil war eras in history class, but I’m growing weary of the fact that we are being herded into a regulated pen called ‘society’. I don’t give a shit about expressing my manhood (and it seems like you took that right from Tyler Durden’s rant about the Calvin Klein ad on the bus in Fight Club); in fact I’d say my girlfriend is more of a “man” than I am, in that she often feels the need to prove herself. Plus I’m pretty sure I used the term sheep in my Original Post.

In a nutshell, I am AGAINST the current Divided States of Censorship. I believe direct action should be taken(the reason I, in my OP, said that sometimes non-hostile action needed to be taken is because sometimes it is best to avoid violence), although I think that within the next thirty years the US will (officially) break apart.

One question though, what was the point of bringing your religion into this? I respect the fact that perhaps you follow Jehovah (that’s what the King James Holy Bible I read most of called him), because we’re together on the fact that we both despise the general public. I think that the point is not as much to discredit them but to open their eyes to what’s really going on. If you need a target, go after a lawyer. Yes movie stars are self-important demi-gods to American society, and yeah they should all have spider eggs implanted into their skin, in isolated confinement as to not martyr them. I think that only in anarchy will people be truly free, because we are animals, not robots. I’m not saying that you shouldn’t keep your elbows off of the table, or that killing a baby is okay as long as you’re hungry, I’m just saying that (as a generalized species) we think of ourselves as a superior race and refuse to believe that evolution exists within our own gene pool. Don’t think of Anarchy as destruction, it’s just change.
Pendrake - 28 06 08 - 14:13

Heofbygonedays, you obviously misunderstood everything I was driving at. Let me try again:

I explained things about, myself just for fun basically, so you could understand what type of person I am. By my saying I don’t watch TV, I was attempting to show that I don’t really follow all that is popular or trendy. I only follow what I think is right. As in ME. When I went into how I studied Ninjitsu, the point was that I liked how the peoples of pre-feudal Japan lived in their own little unit, only being stirred when threatened by some man professing regulation. I’m not saying stop showering or typing on your computer, what I’m saying is that it’s up to us to make things right for ourselves.

Yes, I am incredibly thankful that I’m not forced into religion or anything else that less fortunate peoples perhaps are, which is why I liked studying Revolutionary-to-Civil war eras in history class, but I’m growing weary of the fact that we are being herded into a regulated pen called ‘society’. I don’t give a shit about expressing my manhood (and it seems like you took that right from Tyler Durden’s rant about the Calvin Klein ad on the bus in Fight Club); in fact I’d say my girlfriend is more of a “man” than I am, in that she often feels the need to prove herself. Plus I’m pretty sure I used the term sheep in my Original Post.

In a nutshell, I am AGAINST the current Divided States of Censorship. I believe direct action should be taken(the reason I, in my OP, said that sometimes non-hostile action needed to be taken is because sometimes it is best to avoid violence), although I think that within the next thirty years the US will (officially) break apart.

One question though, what was the point of bringing your religion into this? I respect the fact that perhaps you follow Jehovah (that’s what the King James Holy Bible I read most of called him), because we’re together on the fact that we both despise the general public. I think that the point is not as much to discredit them but to open their eyes to what’s really going on. If you need a target, go after a lawyer. Yes movie stars are self-important demi-gods to American society, and yeah they should all have spider eggs implanted into their skin, in isolated confinement as to not martyr them. I think that only in anarchy will people be truly free, because we are animals, not robots. I’m not saying that you shouldn’t keep your elbows off of the table, or that killing a baby is okay as long as you’re hungry, I’m just saying that (as a generalized species) we think of ourselves as a superior race and refuse to believe that evolution exists within our own gene pool. Don’t think of Anarchy as destruction, it’s just change.
Pendrake - 28 06 08 - 14:13

Sorry for the double post.

Also, I realize that you said you don’t follow god per se, but what I mean to ask was why use that as a point to use against me if you don’t believe in it (or maybe you do and I still don’t get your point). What I mainly question is why gender matters either. So my girlfriend should get up before me, and I shouldn’t do dishes? The bible also says that you should carry a paddle three miles away from your residence and dig a hole with it to relieve yourself in. It also says that homosexuals will burn in hell, which is dumb because I think it’s better that two men kiss than shoot each other. All “holy” (or “unholy”), so I’ve been told, was written to be interpreted differently by everyone. Though you should also recall that the bible was re-written by the Roman Catholic Church around the time that indulgences were being handed out, to better suit their gains (another great example of dictating-censorship).
Pendrake - 28 06 08 - 14:35

anarchy shall never occur no matter how much u support others with your beliefs, it is probably only possible in a post apocalyptic society or in the midst of a disaster… and that obviously doesnt last long before people begin to crave order and stability.
hatred - 28 06 08 - 18:32

De-centralized goverment systems such as anarchy don’t work for a variety of reasons.

Ok, lets envision a town named Walkersburg (for the sake of the analogy). Walkersburg has everyone done right in a de-centralized system. Small town council to decide things, every fit citizen trained well enough in combat, and a good fair judicial(sp?) system. Their small society can field a militia of about 200 citizens.

Nearby Walkersburg, there lives a society of religious fanatics who hate everyone because their creed declares it must be so. Lets call them the Muskivites (for the sake of the analogy) and their leader is Rasadin the priest. Now, they are a large body of zealous fanatics, with over two thousand men in their army.

They decide to go on religious crusade against their heathen neighbors, the citizens of Walkersburg. They outnumber the Walkersburg milita ten to one. Also, this is not 300, so numbers do matter. Walkersburg does not stand a chance against this army. They are about to be crushed and annilated in a fiery maelstrom of zealotry and hatred.

Now, there are a few things that Walkersburg could do. They could form alliances with the surrounding c ity states, like the Greeks did during the various wars during the Classical Age. (For any of you who don’t listen in history, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Gre..).

But there is one problem with Alliances, they don’t seem to work for long and they never stand well in the face of a centralized goverment under one leader. Look at Alexander, he conquered all those de-centralized Greek City States!

So in the end, De-centralization does not work. It leaves the society weak and open to invasion. Also, for you anarchist, if you want anarchy and hell, go to Africa.

America is a great country. I wish everyone here would cut back on the drugs, alchohol and junk food, save their money, and go to a foriegn(sp?) country and see how those operate. Every de-centralized goverment in the world, such as the ones in Latin America, suck. I’ve been there. Its hell.

In response to this article, the writer is right. Don’t be an anarchist just because your not popular in highschool and your pissed at society. Glaring at helpless old women, smashing old people’s nice cars up, and pissing on schools doesn’t make you tough and it sure as hell doesn’t make you an “anarchist”.

Go to Africa and fight in a guerilla faction, you pussy.

P.S.: If you wanna email and/or send me an intelligent response, my email is Wargamer50@hotmail.com. Any hatemail or dumbshit comments will be ignored.
William Walker - 29 06 08 - 09:25

(The above comment was from Hefrombygonedays to Pendrake.

William Walker… lets say that Walkersburg is a huge society run by the great Walker himself. The religious fanatics decide to attack. Only now, they assassinate Walker and car-bomb half the city. The town is still screwed, me lord…
Hefrombygonedays - 29 06 08 - 10:09

Not the above one, dammit!
Heofbygonedays - 29 06 08 - 10:11

Heofbygonedays,

If Walkersburg was a big city under a dictactorship, lets say by a man named Walker and he, the leader is killed, the town is not necessarily screwed.

They still have the resources to fight a larger threat. You see, small societies might work two thousand years ago when the world’s civilizations were on a small scale and they fought against other nations of similiar resources.

Today, the world is run on a large scale. Everything from battles to marketing is done on a large scale. Even if the leader of a big society is killed, they still have the resources to fight their enemy.

Its all about who has the most men, the most advanced weapons, and the largest resource backing. During the American Civil War, despite the Confederacy having amazing, brillitant generals, they still lost due to the fact that the North had more men, more food, and more weapons.

And thats what comes with a centralized goverment.

To Pendrake: Fuedal Japan’s goverment system worked for a time before the nobles were conquered and the land was centralized. Every de-centralized goverment eventually moves towards centralization. Its the way things are.

TO ALL ANARCHIST: If life really so bad in this country? Are you shot in the streets for expressing your opinion? Do you have to wait in long lines to get a scrap of food? Are our streets filled with violent protesters looking for jobs? Is our goverment “The Evil Empire” bent on conquering the world?

No. You get up everyday, are free to do what you want, get a job, eat what you want and think what you want. If your poor and don’t have food, there are many charities to help you. I love our country and I am thankfull to be in it. If you don’t like it, then fucking leave.
William Walker - 29 06 08 - 10:32

William Walker, two things.

1. You cannot fully anazlize Capitalism JUST IN NORTH AMERICA, the PEOPLE fought for rights, the true capitalists (Leaders) are fighting AGAINST wage improvments, AGAINST unions and AGAINST us.

2. Capitalism failed so many places, i mean go look at Africa, Middleeast, Russia. YEah they sure are awesome

Also, don’t forget, YOUR THINKING ABOUT YOURSELF, your just like a capitalist, YOURSELF YOURSELF YOURSELF, wake up from your fairytale dipshit people are dieing in Iraq while we just take oil. “IF one terrorist shoots at a platoon, the army is allowed to clear the area, killing everyone surrounding it” Fucking Fascists bastards Iraq didn’t do shit to us, 9/11 denies the law of conservation of momentum, so government did all this shit, go back and praise your Nazi flag called America.

Stupid fucking dipshit make me so made, sorry for the outburst dipshit stupid fuck.
DumbshitWilliamWalker - 01 07 08 - 22:57